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 Topic: 74 429 headersPosted: 30-August-2009 at 11:24AM |
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Hey guys, Just blowed out a p/s donut gasket so I might as well upgrade to headers right?
 Opinions on brand and fitment. Car has factory a/c and p/s.
Thanks,David
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Posted: 30-August-2009 at 3:18PM |
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Unless I am wrong you can have any brand of headder you want as long as it is hooker have approx 450.00 in your pocket. If you want them jet coated find 100.00 more. I have one question WHEN WILL THE AFTERMARKET SEE JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INTO 74 TO 76 TORINOS (just my daily editorial statment) Conard
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Posted: 30-August-2009 at 3:29PM |
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Assuming you have a 429 with a auto transmission Crites also offers headers but with 2" primary tubes compared to the Hooker 1 7/8" for a little better high RPM breathing. http://www.critesrestoration.com/fairlane.htm
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JimW
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Posted: 01-September-2009 at 1:26PM |
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I think 2 tubes on the Crites headers go under the front control arms like their older car headers. If you have the front of the car low the Crites may be a little bad for ground clearance. (I haven't actually seen a set in place in person though)
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Posted: 01-September-2009 at 3:25PM |
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What are you running Jim?
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VorbottenO
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Posted: 04-September-2009 at 5:57AM |
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I was looking for a set of 429 headers for my 72 GTS as well. Just talked to the guys at Crites and the current line of headers do NOT go under the control arm
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Posted: 05-September-2009 at 3:40AM |
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Eric, if you buy the Crites headers post some pictures and let us know how well the install went. When my headers rot out I'd like to build custom stainless headers starting with SPD Flanges and 2" primary tubes. I just had my Hooker headers ceramic coated so I won't be doing that for a while. http://www.spdexhaust.com/Ford_B.html#
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Posted: 05-September-2009 at 12:02PM |
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I heard that FPA makes headers that will fit the 429/460 in the 72-76 Torino chasis, but aren't currently on his site. Most of his stuff is 1 3/4" primary so its not for all out race applications, but if fits good and is well built. The other downside is they are pricey.
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Posted: 06-September-2009 at 3:15PM |
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Here is a photo of the headers as they arrived.
It will be a while before I will be installing them. I do plan on having them ceramic coated but what to test fit them first.
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Posted: 06-September-2009 at 4:31PM |
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I'm running the Hooker 6126 headers, only thing available at the time I did the 460. I am very pleasantly surprised, besides the slotted flanges, Those Crites pieces look nice, and they are an unequal length 2" tube 3.5" collector, right? how do the flanges line up with a CJ sized gasket?
The HKR's are equal length, 1 7/8 and 3" collector. They work ok at 600hp, but are prolly on the small side. Their flanges are pass car port but will match the CJ heads with some grinding.
Thanks for the pics!! Jim
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Posted: 07-September-2009 at 2:44AM |
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You are correct that they are unequal 2" and 3.5" collector. I also received the flange taking them to 2.5"exhaust. Gasket match appears to be good with no overlap into the port area. I will be getting my heads back next week after rework including some light porting so we will really see.
The only area I am concerned about is clearance to the A/C housing as it looks a little tight and I will not know until the install.
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Posted: 07-September-2009 at 3:28AM |
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Eric, I'm curious to know where in your exhaust system you plan to reduce the pipe size from 3.5" to 2.5"? The key is to keep your pipe size the same from the collectors all the way to the back if possible, any pipe size reduction should only be done after the mufflers.
Question about the Crites headers, is the side that contacts the heads perfectly flat? I tried to use pure copper CJ exhaust gaskets with my hookers without mods and they wouldn't seal. The flanges on my headers has this welded bead around each port that sticks out. I gather that I'll have to grind the flanges perfectly flat so the copper will seal properly, another winter project.
Jim, was there sufficient material to grind the Hooker flange ports to CJ size?
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Posted: 07-September-2009 at 12:23PM |
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The flanges are ground flat on the Crites.
I had planned on reducing at the headers to make plumbing it out a little easier. Guess I should check the cost difference to pipe it with at least 3" and 3.5". A little concerned about the cost but guess I will just have to convince the wife it is another birthday present...
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Posted: 07-September-2009 at 5:34PM |
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I had to modify my transmission X-mount so the pipes go straight back from the header collectors. My 3.5" exhaust pipes feed into a 3.5" In/Out X-pipe right behind the transmission. The goal is to keep exhaust pipes straight from front to back, any necessary bends (over axle) should be mandrel.
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Posted: 09-September-2009 at 1:26PM |
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There is material to get a decent match but you are talking about a very quick transition to a smaller size and weakening the weld a good bit. The worst thing about the HKRS is the bolt holes are a bear and should be checked against the heads BEFORE having everything in the car. I've had 2 sets and both fit different. The one piece flange is not forgiving so some time with a rat tail file is important.
I'd like to take the Crites pieces and use them with a custom CJ flange, that looks like it'd work excellent.. Can't wait to see them installed on a car to see how they clear the suspension and such..
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Posted: 09-September-2009 at 5:33PM |
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The bolt holes on the Hookers are a pain to work on, even after I enlarged the holes with a file I still have trouble getting them to line up. My collectors would leak all the time so I had a muffler shop cut them off and weld on a set of ball & socket connectors, I never run open headers anyway.
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Posted: 11-September-2009 at 11:05AM |
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After I started combining the aluminum gaskets with a coating of red RTV, I don't have collector leaks at all any more.. .. I also use regular gaskets plus RTV at the head as well and check the bolts often as well...
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Jim
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Posted: 12-September-2009 at 11:37AM |
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I have the old crites headrer and am very pleased ,but they are a bit low.
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Posted: 14-September-2009 at 3:43AM |
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Any chance of you posting some under chasis pics so we can see how the Crites look?
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Posted: 14-September-2009 at 3:08PM |
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It will be about a 2 mos before I install my Crites headers. Went ahead and took them for ceramic coating and totally forgot I cannot run them during break in.....duhhhhh
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Posted: 15-September-2009 at 3:22AM |
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I coated my Hooker headers prior too. During the cam break in period, they glowed red hot and some of the ceramic coating close to the heads cracked and peeled after. The luster finish turned to a flat grey almost the total length of the primary pipes. It would greatly help to have your timing and fuel set properly before start up to avoid molten header syndrome.
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Posted: 23-September-2009 at 9:07AM |
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UPDATE on the Crites Headers.....sadley enough.
I thought I was ahead of schedule but ran into a snag with the 429 Crites headers in my 72 N code.
The design is making it what appears to be impossible to use them in a car without a console or floor shift!
The shifter cable path and bracket do not seem to allow use in a column shift set up...yuch!
I am going to keep playing with it but does not look good.
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Posted: 23-September-2009 at 9:13AM |
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I have a set of the Hookers New in the box. They are painted not ceramic coated. Let me know if you're interested.
Tom
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Posted: 23-September-2009 at 9:37AM |
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Tom,
I may be if I cannot get these to work over the next few days.
What do you need to get out of them? No big thing to get them stripped and ceramic coated at my local guy and usually runs around $120
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Posted: 23-September-2009 at 9:38AM |
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Oops, forgot to ask where you are located?
I am in Atlanta but travel and have resources for transportation
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Posted: 24-September-2009 at 4:39AM |
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Lokar may offer the Column Shift Cable you need to make those headers work. http://www.lokar.com/interior_pages/colshiftlink.htm
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Posted: 24-September-2009 at 1:54PM |
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$400 plus shipping. Im in Poynette WI |
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Posted: 24-September-2009 at 3:25PM |
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Ouch!
 Oops, I thought that was the price for the Lokar Column Shift cable. It cost me $300 to have my headers Ceramic coated after the big burn off. Edited by GranTorinoMan - 25-September-2009 at 4:18AM |
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Posted: 24-September-2009 at 5:37PM |
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They're new. Put youself on the waiting list at Summit and pay $500!
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Posted: 25-September-2009 at 3:44AM |
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Price is not that bad at all...believe me I have looked around.
I will be working on the set up this weekend and know for sure if I need to go that route.
Thanks so much!
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