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Bretticuss
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Topic: Fuel injectionPosted: 24-July-2025 at 7:12AM |
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Considering going with a throttle body style fuel injection unit for my Ranchero 351c. Looking at the Holley sniper 2 set up, anyone have any experience with these or have a better option out there?
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peter.jenerette
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Posted: 24-July-2025 at 10:01AM |
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Following this...curious about the same.
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Pete Jenerette
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Steve M.
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Posted: 24-July-2025 at 1:41PM |
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I've been considering the same upgrade on my car
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Posted: 25-July-2025 at 2:33AM |
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I've got a fitech unit sitting here. Came as a package deal with an engine I bought locally.
They'll all work nearly the same IMO. I suggest using an in tank fuel pump with them, as the fuel command modules and the like are kind of a cob job and I've read about a lot of issues with them. If I was buying new I'd likely go with holley as they also have an ignition kit available with it. Aces fuel injection also has an offering at an affordable price, but being new to the game I've not heard anything about them. |
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Posted: 25-July-2025 at 10:58AM |
I second that about the fuel commander unit. A friend had one on his Chevelle and i helped him work on it as it constantly had issues. In the end, we ended up dumping the unit.
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Booyah45828
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Posted: 29-July-2025 at 5:34AM |
A lot of guys have done the same. Electric pumps at efi pressures create so much heat that the command center needs a return line back to the fuel tank, especially if those modules are put under the hood. That's where 99% of the command center negativity centers around. Plumb it so that it's a circulation style system instead of a dead head like most carb cars were, and the problems with the command center disappear. Fitech has done away with their original command center, and now sell the force fuel system which has a tank return. |
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Bretticuss
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Posted: 31-July-2025 at 1:57PM |
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If I go this route im going to go with the Holley Sniper 2 and use the in tank fuel pump, seems like this one has fixed all of the issues with the original Sniper 1
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Posted: 08-August-2025 at 2:27PM |
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These systems are well past the guinea pig stage by now, a lot of them out there. I think one of the most important things is that you not have any other faults when you install. The engine doesn't have to be new, but needs to be mechanically solid. No vacuum leaks. Good sparkplugs, wires, cap and rotor, air leaks in the exhaust upstream from the O2 sensor, etc. If anything is wrong, the unit can't learn properly. That includes the fuel pump, because low fuel pressure will create issues that can be hard to diagnose. Same thing with the charging system. These things are really intolerant of low voltage.
The self learning is a lot better than it was in early versions, but it's pretty common for them to be able to get better with a little tuning. Doesn't have to be a full dyno session. Downloading the datalogs and sending them to people who tune by email is good enough for most purposes. Or learn to do it yourself.
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Posted: 08-August-2025 at 3:36PM |
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check out Uncle Tony's vids, 3 pertinent near the top |
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Posted: 11-October-2025 at 6:17AM |
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Hey everyone. Jus like you guys I've been thinking bout EFI.
Haven't decided if I want to go TBI, direct port fuel injection kit or have my intake modified for direct port injection. Found this at McGee racing. Some specs of the engine, Kaase aluminum P-51 head, Edelbrock Victor Jr. Intake, Isky Hydraulic Roller cam 262/270 @ .50, .644 lift. Recently got it chasis dynoed out in Jurupa Valley, at Westtwch performance group ![]() Any advise and help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance. -DeMarco
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72 RS 351
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Posted: 11-October-2025 at 3:25PM |
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EFI has come a long way since the first 1980's stuff. The TBI systems are simpler and good matches for an intake which has very good port distribution, very balanced port flow. But virtually no single plane intake has that kind of great port balance, so TBI isn't the best choice for a single plane. At that price level, SEFI is much better than a TBI system. But do shop around, the costs are not cheap and there are many brands etc. I've found that a typical 4-hole throttle body is above $600 alone, which is my direction for my final 351C build(port injectors). Running the system is possible with multiple different PCM's, there are way more brand now than 20 years ago etc. I like the idea of a popular 90's OEM type EFI(EECIV), using a PimpXS PCM. Those have been about $1000 and plug into common Fox Mustang 5.0 wiring. They have a lot of support and can handle MAF or speed density, SEFI of course. I haven't looked into more details than that, top shelf features like traction control may be possible but not with those oldest type Ford EECIV systems. If you wanted more options then you end up looking at Pro M or other higher cost systems.
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Posted: 11-October-2025 at 4:09PM |
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Thanks for your insight. I appreciate it..being new to EFI, what are some of those higher priced kits, or even some of the lower end kits?
Again thank you guys. -DeMarco
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72 RS 351
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Posted: 12-October-2025 at 10:46AM |
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I haven't looked for any kits made for older engines or carb intakes. Most EFI stuff is aimed at newer existing EFI engines. The Pro M kits are over $2300 just for the operating system and wiring. The Holley similar kits are above $1200 give or take. They all have varying features and options that add more cost. That's why I prefer an OEM control system if possible, it will cost less in the end IMO, given a quality tuner expert. That's why I like the idea of tuning done by the man who runs http://forum.efidynotuning.com/ He can handle most OEM Ford computers up to at least 2014. I could piece meal kits to run my SUV project with a SBF and 6R80 trans. But the stand alone controller is $1500+, then a kit like Holley is over $1200, and you still have to build a wiring harness and get it tuned. With the tuner from efidynotuning I can use a used 2014 F150 PCM to run both the SBF and trans. The cost will be the $90 I paid for the used PCM, wiring that for that trans will cost near $300, plus COP extra for $300 or so, and the same tuning cost, which looks to be $450-$300 depending on how many project vehicles I get help with(cost drops after the 1st). For an older engine you might do better like with my 73 Ranchero, which will have a carb type intake. A speed density EFI system allows you to use a popular round air cleaner, instead of a MAF system that requires the big inlet tube and elbow at the car type throttle body. So with mine I should be able to use a common Fox Mustang type engine harness, used or new depending on your budget. I plan to be able to wire that into my 1973's engine bay, buy the intake with injector bungs in it($700+ for just the Funnel Web intake for a Cleveland), and run it with a PimpXS computer. Those still cost around $1000 or so, and can be tuned by most good experts who are used to Ford EECIV and similar EFI systems. Those I gather can have a trans controller added to run a 4R70W trans(but $400ish with not many reviews); so for a 4R70W the Quick Shift 4(or 2 if you like), the cost is $700+ more. I see those costs as much better than a high end Holley or Pro M, depending on what features or air cleaner(speed density versus mass/air systems).
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000 rpm 351 stroker 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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