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    Posted: 04-March-2023 at 9:17AM
Chevelle body bolts will work in place of our OEM Torino bolts.  See the post below from Compton's build thread for details


Originally posted by Compton Compton wrote:

For those looking for an alternative to corroded body bolts 72 Chevelle work mint and are available new…basically identical….threaded shaft is longer on the Chevelle bolt and the pointed end is slightly shorter but neither of these make any difference to installation….
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this is my 06 crown victoria front isolators. they squeeze down alot for the right application.

i got the same Dorman kit for 73---you may check Rock auto for a better price!
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johnny..exactly...that is why I am asking, so I dont mess up(again)...Wink
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i'll have to measure one for you, but keep in mind i think someone stated the crown vic bushings are a little taller so you may need  slightly longer bolts??? but you don't want them too long as some could interfere with the upper trunk floor layer??
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johnny..ok..7/16.....length?....and thread type?14?

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IIRC those body mount bolts were 7/16 NC?
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Hi Johnny...ok...thanks for info. Will check when I get `em. What was the ‘standard’ size bolt used back in the day?
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looks like those come with new bolts too? you may not be able to use those bolts they probably are metric for the crown vic?
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I went ahead and bought the above CV kit. Friggin’ expensive!!!

I will buy the Energy Suspension kit for the core support too.

Let me know if I have messed or anything. Thanks.
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Hello again. There is a Crown Vic kit on Ebay....but heck....it costs 350 bucks!,  seems very expensive!

Of course it comes with all mounting hardware...but still...expensive.

Any ideas appreciated....thanks.

This is the kit.....
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I have read this thread 100 times....fascinating! As I will be changing all bushings soon.........I have gathered the Crown Vic kit AND the Energy Suspension(for core support) are the best alternatives to the originals.

Here is a nice picture of my original core support bushing...
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will these work on a 72 torino  they just don't have the bolts




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Its actually going back together very well. Ill have to post some pics one of these days   Theres been alot of work that went into this thing .
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Keep in mind, there was a lot of shimming done on the assembly line to get body gaps within general specs. We are not talking body fitment like of today's cars, but honestly I have never had issue with the gaps on Torinos.
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Right on thanks itll be a good starting point  
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I took photos of mine prior to disassembly but this is on a 73, not sure if 72 is different.  
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Does anyone have the factory measurement specs from the bottom of the rad support to the frame. Mine was out to lunch i had 1 15/16 on one side and the other was  2 1/2. Lol. Not sure what happened and why they did that. Any help on this would be great thanks in advance. Oh sry and thats on 72 as well. 
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I am going to do some research on these and see what the the torque spec tightness is and what the compressed height will be.  I like the idea of tightening up the base bushing seperately and then spacing with the shims and metal bushings from the original set-up but the poly set-up appears to work well also.  I will post the info when I get it.  
Also for those having a problem getting the bottom bushings in through the bottom frame opening I used a coat hanger with a string attached and ran it through the bottom hole to the lower frame opening by the lower control arm, tied the bushing to the string and pulled it back through to the bushing mount location.  I had to use the coat hanger a little to help the bushing past some bolt obstructions but came through easily.  
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I'm almost to the point of using aluminum bushing with a rubber washers to dampen vibration. I'm tired of fighting the shifting door gaps. I want to set the gaps and forget it. I consider the radiator support bushing arrangement a design flaw. Its been a headache.
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That's a great idea. I tried some rubber bushing replacement and found the weight of the front clip really compressed the rubber which shifted the door gaps. It didn't take long for that to happen. The poly bushing doesn't shift as much. Rubber is preferable but it's difficult to determine the correct compressed height over time. Maybe some sort of cup on the ends of the rubber bushing to limit the squish?

I would like to see what you figured out...


Regarding the cut height, i have an early 73. I found the same height issue with the body bushings. I cut them to the 1 1/4 height and had no issues. I did this because of height of the front bushings and the alignment of the front clip to the doors. I'm using the poly bushings in the front. The front can still use more shims to set the gap properly.   Just a fyi...there is enough slop in the body bushing height that it it doesn't matter if the height is off a bit so long as they are all cut to the same height.

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Just thought I would throw this out there because I have not seen this mentioned in previous posts.  I ordered the Crown Vic bushing kit which came with the body bushings and two radiator bushings.  The radiator bushings have a similar set-up to the original Torino bushings, that being a washer with a depressed threaded center section that screws onto a larger diameter section of the bolt through the frame.                                                                                                                                                                This washered bushing also has an oval shaped protrusion on the bottom side.  This protruded part fits snugly in the frame opening for the radiator support connection.  The bushing measures 1-3/16" high excluding the protrusion.  I installed it on my frame and it tightens down and self centers in the hole.  The below frame bushing has a cut out on the top side that the washered bushings protrusion seats tightly into.  The bottom side has an imbedded washer in it.  
Also included is a 1" high top metal bushing.  It appears this piece is supposed to go on top of the radiator support and it has a center cut out for the nut to screw down into.  
This bushing would have to be shimmed like the original one was to get the correct height but it looks like it would be a pretty secure set-up.  I had already ordered the poly universal bushing set but am seriously considering using the Crown Vic set.  I'm looking for anyone who may have used these or just input, good or bad, on these being used.                                                                          


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FWIW rancheros may be a little different in the rear???
but all the 74's i parted 2dr vs 4dr.... all the bushings were the same
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no problem here, i just don't want to see later that your doors are pinched and roof buckled because i didn't speak up, for future readers too. the sleeves and the washers add up to an over-all measurement, just looking at the sleeves could lead to an issue if different thickness washers get into the blend

FWIW my understanding was that there are several different height mounts involved in different locations, i've seen the dimensions in the factory manual but then again i may be hallucinating or that was Ranchero specific and does not apply to Torino, IDK?

i'm not saying this is what happened here but sometimes guys only see what they want to see, are ready to fall out tired, or in the fog of not understanding they gloss over some critical tidbit, i just didn't want that to be the case ... no worries & all's well Big smile
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To Rockatansky, the last post was not a critique or question needing an answer but merely information to let others that read this topic in the future know that apparantly not all bushings are 1 1/4", and that they need to measure theirs to confirm what length to cut to.  Before I posed my original post I don't remember reading that there was any information that other size bushings were involved, I just needed clarification on the 1 1/4" length before I started cutting. I tend to be a little anal about things that can cost me money due to my having made uneducated judgements on projects in the past, this one I definitely want to make as few mistakes as possible. I apologize if you feel I was being redundant but the last post was strictly to help future readers.  -  dave  
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i've tossed it up a couple times but IDK if it's been flying into the ditch?

IF THE WASHERS ARE DIFFERENT YOU HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN

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Just for future reference for those doing this in the future, the original bushing tube length on my 73 GTS (manufacture date 3-23-73) was 1 1/2 ", total metal bushing height 1 5/8", so I am going to cut the new ones to these measurements, not 1 1/4".  Not sure but possibly a minor design change from the earlier ones?  
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Ok, thats what I was trying to confirm, thanks again
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Originally posted by 1973gts 1973gts wrote:

So the shorter than original altered tube compensates for the fatter than original bushing making the frame to body spacing the same as original?  I believe I understand it I just want to make sure my original bushings are the same as others who have done this before I cut to 1 1/4 inch.

The altered tube will be the same length as the original tube. The bushing will crush to the proper thickness
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i'm gonna go with No on that

whatever you put in has to the be the same overall height as what you took out

the rubber doesn't determine height, only the metal washers and sleeve




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So the shorter than original altered tube compensates for the fatter than original bushing making the frame to body spacing the same as original?  I believe I understand it I just want to make sure my original bushings are the same as others who have done this before I cut to 1 1/4 inch.
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