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    Posted: 07-December-2024 at 7:20AM
Hello everyone long time no talk. I have a couple of questions but let me explain a little first.  My father and I just finished swapping over his 72 Torino to bucket seats and a console with floor shift. I thought we had all the right linkage and things but it seems I was mistaken because we can shift through all of the gears before the shift indicator in the floor shifter even reaches drive. I’ve read everything I could find about the different throws of the shifters through the forums here but can’t seem to find any help.  The transmission is a C6. Linkage on the transmission is pointing up. Hooked everything up and tried to adjust it but still the gears are just too close in the shifter.  Shifter and linkage are out of a 73 Gran Torino not sure if it was a C6 car or not I can’t remember. Our car is a 1972 with a 429 and C6 that has been swapping in place of the original 351C and C6. The car looks awesome with the buckets.
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Are the shifter levers on the bottom of the floor shifter different lengths by year and application? 
Were the shift levers on the transmission different by year and application? 
Anyone have any idea what I need to get this setup working good for my dad? We’d like to keep the stock setup instead of an aftermarket
Thanks everyone.
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 the good thing about these cars are the cable shifted column has the lever up so it can be swapped to a linkage type floor shifter Wink
maybe the rod needs adjusted? how are all the bushings in the shifter shaft and the rod?
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New bushings at the shifter lever side and the rod on both ends. We tried adjusting it every which way. When I was under the car and my dad would move the shifter from park to reverse the lever on the transmission would move all the way to drive. We thought the linkage was too long. So we shorten’d it. No bueno. Same thing. Then we read about a possible longer shifter lever at the floor shifter side which would change the radius of travel or throw of the rod and thought maybe that’s why the rod was longer to start with. 
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Can you take a picture of your linkage setup?  What parts are installed now?  Any of the original parts from the column shift reused?

I suspect it would be one of the the throw arms is too long, if it is moving too far.  I have a 1972 GTS with a floor shift, but it is stored for the winter on a lift and I have another car under it that I can't move, so not sure I can get to my linkage to take measurements.  I can try to go through the parts catalog to see if it lists the part numbers or measurements.
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I’m about to leave to drive back to NJ so I can’t get a picture of it. Nothing from the column shift was used other than the lever on the transmission. 
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the car is originally a column shift?

cable operated?
 
how much did the 'angle of attack' of the column cable change to that of the floor shifter?

check out these clamp on linkage arms, i don't know if it's the solution or not but could be a start, something to work off of to fab an arm of the correct length?

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if i were to use a stamped steel clamp on linkage arm, i'd not call the job done until i tack welded the arm to the round barrel of the transmission linkage piece. in my experience the clamp can / will come loose leaving you FCensoredered and not Big smile



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Yes it was originally a column shift car. The column cable would pull the transmission lever forward. At an upward and forward angle. The floor shift pushes it forward. The linkage does connect it just moves to much. I’ll keep researching and look at those clamp on deals thanks. 
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Did you change the shift arm on the trans? I think I recall reading some where that on the C6 you need to swap the arm on the trans.

I found these images, they are earlier but note the difference. 

This first one appears to be a Floor shift lever...



Where this one appears to be a column shift.


Note the length and orientation. The basic part number is 7A256-xx where XX is the application indicator, but I am haven't had time to go find the correct number.

Good luck!
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Thanks for the pictures and part numbers. I’ve got a little time before I leave this morning to snap a few pictures before I leave for the dirt Jersey. So I’ll show you what we got for a temp setup so he can atleast move the car. Don’t judge though it ugly since we were trying to fabricate it to work. The lever in the first picture is similar to what we have on our trans. It points up like that. I’ll post when I get the pictures. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rockatansky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-December-2024 at 7:16AM
Originally posted by Sethro12 Sethro12 wrote:

... I’ll show you what we got for a temp setup so he can at least move the car. Don’t judge though it ugly since we were trying to fabricate it to work.


don't judge? at one point i had the FMX column shift cable hooked up to a C6 don't know what linkage arm was on that but the ranges on the column indicator were backwards. the trans arm was upside down and i drove it like that because that's what i had. another point i put in a C4 and had a metal shifter rod stuck in the trans lever arm and i changed gears through the 4 speed shifter hole in the tunnel. no judging here man, Ford trans linkages are a little more involved than many bargain for and i feel your pain. been there done that
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Note those great pics by Pete, those should be the two basic possibilities for the trans shift linkage. Over the years Ford most of the time used two possibilities to operate the floor shift versus column, plus cars and trucks.

There is often a different mounting bracket for the cable where it connects to the trans. Those and the different shift levers inside the trans, together usually decided what works with a given shifter type.

The trans shift lever is held on by an internal nut, and it's no too hard to swap(there will be a drift pin pushed into a vertical hole that locks the lever from moving in/out).

So most likely you can get it working with OEM parts. But you need to figure out which direction the cable moves, plus the effect of the given trans shift lever. One way it will pull or push, and the distance is also affected. I had an AOD mocked up in my 73 Ranchero before I moved and stored it away. I had to swap the original shift lever to one from a 90s F150, plus the matching bracket.
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Well it looks like we are going to have to use one of those universal jobs to get it working right unless we wanna drop the pan and valve body once we find the right lever. We welded a pipe in between the ends of the rod to try to get the right length. And the bolt on the very end is not right. That’s temporary because I messed up the new bushing trying to press it back in. 
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Any updates?  I looked at the parts catalog, and it lists a different lever on the transmission for the floor shift vs the column shift as I suspected. So the universal one might get you working properly at least, as I am not sure how hard it would be to source the correct lever.
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