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    Posted: 20-November-2021 at 1:41PM
What are the actual differences between the power brake boosters for the 72, 73-74, and 75-76? I know the 72 is a one-year-only part, but will a 73-74 booster bolt right in? Looks like the 75-76 has one bolt that's slightly off. Any other differences?

Will the booster from any other vehicle bolt in with no or little modification (and if some is required, what modifications)?

What I've been able to find here through searching hasn't made the answers clear.

My brake booster is shot. When I press on the brakes at idle, RPMs drop, and on the road, the pedal goes to the floor but the car does stop. Obviously nothing is available new anymore (carparts dot com let me buy one and waited 3-4 days to tell me it was out of stock). I'm scouring junkyards to find something before I send mine off to be rebuilt, since I'm guessing turnaround time would be long. One local yard has a '73 GTS and a '74 Ranchero, but I couldn't get either booster to hold any vacuum with the Mitivac (I tried it on a squarebody Chevy and it started to build a bit of vacuum, so I know the trick works).
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I believe the stud pattern changed on the later Torinos. CaliforniaJohnny or other guys who part cars all the time might have a better idea on the specific differences.  The later model boosters should work if it can be adapted to fit your 72. 

Otherwise your options are rebuilding your existing unit. Or converting to hydroboost. There are a few different rebuilders out there, so it might be worth contacting to find out the turn around times.
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My information will probably not help you much, but when I had to replace my brake booster earlier this year on my 76, I found out that the 77-79 Cougar & T-Bird (they made a TON of these) used the same part number. My point here is that you might have luck finding the cross reference to see what other cars used the same booster as you?
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actually i was an answer to this about the 72 booster last night on one of the FB groups.. 72 has 1 of the studs closer!
 IIRC the 72 booster i sold was different it may have been the stud location? i just remember something was different than all the others i sold.
 far as i know 73-79 should be the same! in the intermediates that is
 im sold out of all my boosters....
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my 1972 firewall with the manual master adapter in place


Compton's 1973


but mind you the 1972 and an early 1973 build may be the same!

who's got a pic of a 1974+ ?



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74...

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looks different than both my pics, swapping the later booster should be no problem though

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i think it the same may look different due to the pic angles ...
 i had to do some diggin for the pic from my build way back... surprised it wasnt a polaroid picLOL
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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

looks different than both my pics, swapping the later booster should be no problem though


I agree that there should be no issue swapping a later booster, but it might require some minor mods if the one stud is in a different spot.  Why would Ford change the stud positions?

Here is my '72:


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I had mine rebuilt by RockAuto/Cardone about 8 months ago. My car was built in November 1972. It's worked well since installing the new booster, but I've only done yard driving. Managed to save the original gasket. 



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What was the turnaround time?

Also, Rock Auto currently doesn't show a rebuild service for the 72, but does for 73 and up. But there are other places I can send it.
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Originally posted by Inkara1 Inkara1 wrote:

What was the turnaround time?

Also, Rock Auto currently doesn't show a rebuild service for the 72, but does for 73 and up. But there are other places I can send it.

It took roughly 3 weeks. Sending it to Cardone in Texas took a week, they took a week to rebuild it, and it took a week to get it back. Cost $95 for the service alone and then $7 for the shipping label. I'd asked about getting it rebuilt before on our site's Facebook group and a lot of people pointed me to some guys on the west coast, but it would've cost a lot more. RockAuto wasn't showing rebuilds for my '73 either for quite a while, but I waited, checked one day, and got it done when the window was open. 


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It looks like you can use Cardone's R&R service with other parts retailers if RockAuto isn't offering it. 

Check this page out for more info:


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Might also check Booster Dewey exchange, they show rebuilding yours for $200, I had them do mine and I believe others here have used them also.  Mine turned out really nice but my car is not back on the road yet.  
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I should post an update to this. 

I paid $849 for a hydroboost conversion kit from Sweeting Performance out of Huntington Beach (powerbrakeservice dot net) in Mid-December with expected delivery in mid-January. I still haven't received it as of April 21. Early February, after a few emails and calls, they said things were moving forward. First week of March, I inquired again with multiple emails and a call, and was told one more week "give or take," and that my project would be their focus. Three weeks later, I emailed again (the phone never gets answered and the voicemail is almost always full, and in the outgoing message it says to email if it's full), and heard nothing back. Week four, I sent the old booster to Power Brake Exchange in LA/Santa Fe Springs, and got it back ready to go in less than a week ($130 plus shipping there and back). So week five (April 7), I asked for a refund and heard nothing back. Week 6, asked again, nothing. Week 7, checked on my card issuer's website, and it turns out that I've been too reasonable, to the point I can no longer pursue a chargeback.

At least the car is back on the road now with the vacuum booster, but I'm salty about my $849 and am seeing what options I have besides just posting on every car site I go to not to use that place.
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Originally posted by Inkara1 Inkara1 wrote:

I should post an update to this. 

I paid $849 for a hydroboost conversion kit from Sweeting Performance out of Huntington Beach (powerbrakeservice dot net) in Mid-December with expected delivery in mid-January. I still haven't received it as of April 21. Early February, after a few emails and calls, they said things were moving forward. First week of March, I inquired again with multiple emails and a call, and was told one more week "give or take," and that my project would be their focus. Three weeks later, I emailed again (the phone never gets answered and the voicemail is almost always full, and in the outgoing message it says to email if it's full), and heard nothing back. Week four, I sent the old booster to Power Brake Exchange in LA/Santa Fe Springs, and got it back ready to go in less than a week ($130 plus shipping there and back). So week five (April 7), I asked for a refund and heard nothing back. Week 6, asked again, nothing. Week 7, checked on my card issuer's website, and it turns out that I've been too reasonable, to the point I can no longer pursue a chargeback.

At least the car is back on the road now with the vacuum booster, but I'm salty about my $849 and am seeing what options I have besides just posting on every car site I go to not to use that place.

That really sucks!!! Glad your car is back on the road though.
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I hate that for you also. This new age with low supply and high demand, is going to suck for a long time.
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I second power brake exchange.
Posted a number of time, they were who all the parts stores used for booster rebuilds for the 72-79 FoMoCo offering.

Regarding the boosters:
72-73 cars have one stud located differently than the late 1973 (1974 model year would be starting September October time frame.) 
I am using a dual diaphragm booster off a Lincoln Mark 4 to boost my line pressures for my crown Vic front brake conversion.

I’ve said this before, but I advise if you’re like me and plan on keeping your car, stock up on certain wear items like a set of brake hoses, etc.
For those rainy days…

Regarding the firewall, I e seen guys just drill the hole to swap boosters around.

Now, one thing I ran into was my car was factory non-power brakes.
Four speed 351c 4V Cobrajet, I originally had manual brakes.
I swapped to power.
I found out there are different push rods and rod lengths you also have to keep an eye on.

If anyone here recalls, I transferred a pivot stud off an automatic power brake car, and fit onto my factory 4 speed manual brake pedal.

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Wow, that is outright fraud.  You should put a post in our vendors section too about this company.

Glad to hear you got a vacuum booster at least.
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I missed your update on the hydroboost.
That sounds like complete hell!

Can late model mustang hydroboost be adapted?
Just thinking from the standpoint of trying to utilize from the mustang market.

Under the vendor section, it may be worth starting something for recommended vendors and another sticky for “vendors with issues”.
Main thing is to keep anything negative within limits and not get into eff bomb rants.
Granted as a guy who has been burned by a few folks and 1-2 companies, I am right there being upset for you because it really leaves a bad taste.
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I've had my share of evil sellers too over decades of buying things, it is no joke, or fun.

I plan to install a 1999-04 Mustang V8 hydro boost system in my 73. I'll be doing my 92 Mark VII first, same parts too. The 99-04 GT cars all had it, common enough, those are disc/disc cars, the ABS is mounted behind the radiator, and I think the MC is easy to find in all parts stores. Don't bother with the 1995-98 models, those are unique enough that they are not ideal for swaps.

The PS pump is the one item to concentrate on for a hydro boost swap, various type PS pumps push more or less volume, and pressure.
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WTF?

I just got an email from Matthew Sweeting via stamps dot com informing me that my package is shipped. I was confused for a second -- I recently ordered a sticker for my water bottle, and thought the name might be a coincidence, but no. The reply-to address is powerbrakematt at yahoo dot com.

This would be a lead time of MORE THAN FOUR YEARS. I had given up, decided the cost of litigation and value of my time was more than the $849, bitched about it to whoever I could, and then moved on with my life. I've driven the car all over the state with the rebuilt vacuum booster. 

So assuming a complete system actually shows up... what do I do? I can't imagine sending it back for a refund is realistic. It'd probably be another four years. Do I sell it? (I actually ship things I sell!) Do I install it?
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WOW. 4 years? 

TBH, I'd severely question the parts at this point. Maybe they will be solid good quality. Had to say without seeing first hand. 
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Package came today!

It's just the hoses and fittings. LOL. Included sales receipt (that shows the order date of 12/13/2021) has a checkmark next to the "4 Line Rubber Hose Set" for $265. Still awaiting the booster itself that's $475. In fact, I bet I could find the hoses other places, while the booster is what I'd really needed them specifically for. Maybe the booster will come in 2030?
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That is weird.  I am surprised they would fulfill part of your order so many years later.  If the booster ever shows, I'd probably sell it.
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Maybe you slipped through the cracks? I've had it happen, although it didn't take 4 years to resolve, and I certainly didn't continue on with it business as usual 4 years later. A little communication on their part could have saved a lot of heartache here. Even if they do send the parts 4 years later, there's still hard feelings to be expected.
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