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Uante
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Topic: Air Conditioner Conversion KitPosted: 01-June-2018 at 9:03AM |
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I was thinking about putting an Air Conditioner back in my car. I remember reading years ago about a Kit on here that was supposed to do well replacing the old bulky units, but I can't find anything on it. Does anyone have a link to that thread or a link to a Conversion/Updated AC system?
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Posted: 01-June-2018 at 2:44PM |
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Thanks for the links! Checked out quickly and some of those don't have any kits made for Torinos. Maybe some of the others would work, but haven't researched that.
I thought there was a thread on here about someone installing a kit made for 72-76 Torinos and Rancheros that was about $1K and not that hard to do. I've never done it myself, but have had a Vintage Air system put into a 58 Chevy Apache and really didn't like it at all. Wasn't cold and really drain the HP every time it kicked on and off which was constantly. Took it back to the installer like 4 times and finally gave up. Probably was the installers fault, but wasn't too happy with the units performance...even a crappy install should have worked better than that. |
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Posted: 02-April-2019 at 2:57PM |
I don't know anything about a kit. I was lucky enough that all the stuff was intact inside the car and I only had to replace everything under the hood. There is an aftermarket condenser coil, compressor, barrier hoses, and connectors. I fitted all the hoses and took it to a local NAPA where they had a hydraulic crimper for the fittings and hoses. I spent about a grand on the parts and just under $200 to have a vacuum pulled and system charged. Oh, and I went with r134a for gas. It's not freezing but it makes the car comfortable here in southeast Virginia. Oh, Four Seasons and simple query on ebay turned up all the parts I needed. I also had to purchase all the brackets to support the pulleys and compressor which had to be sourced as used.Edited by Timustbe - 02-April-2019 at 3:02PM |
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Tim Northcutt
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Posted: 25-March-2025 at 6:53AM |
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I'm starting to think about doing an A/C conversion. I saw this thread from back in 2018-19 and was wondering if there is anything new in the 5 years since then as far as offerings for conversion kits for 72-73 Torinos?
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Posted: 27-March-2025 at 11:48PM |
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Try these folks. They were who I used and my A/C has held up well. Good Luck!
* Sorry guys I've tried fixing the link, but it still shows an error. AUTO AC SOLUTIONS 1040 4TH ST GRAHAM, TX 1-877-542-8192
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Posted: 28-March-2025 at 5:18AM |
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Posted: 30-March-2025 at 6:52PM |
Tim- I am curious how your system cools. I have been looking at the fact there is som much debate over what is supposed to technically be a muffler, but the more I am looking at our system, I think it's an accumulator based on the AC service manuals of the 72-76 era that I have. Wondering if you have surging with 134A where it seems cool and then it doesn't due to the lack of the tank that was on the #12 line between the compressor and the evaporator case.
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Posted: 30-March-2025 at 7:26PM |
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One of the long time members here that's in Arizona with his '73 GTS could be of help.
I converted my '72 over to factory AC years ago. Woke up things with a York compressor, deleted the "muffler" canister inline on the large #12 AC line between the Compressor and the Evaporator case. I've updated my car twice now with serpentine belt drives from CVF racing. Previously I was using a Sanden SD709 compressor (7 piston, 6K rpm operational limit of 8K free spinning) and recently using a 508 series which seems to be the gold standard of aftermarket hot rod AC systems that came with my belt drive from CVF. I had all new hoses built using 134A barrier specific hose. the old R12 lines can be reused if good, but the 134A molecules are smaller which leads to system refrigerant losses over time. https://coldhose.com/ is a good site for fittings to make new hoses. You can buy the hose and fittings to match what's needed and then have a local job shop crimp the fittings. Some of the stuff like the 180 degree U-bend #12 size is a real pain to find unless you know where to look. The AC shop I used for years got flooded out and stopped stocking fittings for building hoses and switched to police/government fleet work, but they still crimp my hoses for me. Other item. I found I got decent cooling with a stock condenser, but 134A preferrers more surface area and it's a lot more dependent on airflow over the condenser core to cool. If you are running a stock fixed blade engine fan, a thermal clutch fan may be worth swapping. I switched to dual 14" spal electric fans because I upgraded to a 140 amp GM 1 wire alternator. If you use a stock fan...consider adding a pusher electric fan on the front of the AC condenser. I also used an Old Air products POA eliminator kit to convert to a cycling clutch system, instead of the stock constant stock setup with the York compressor. Other items...make sure to buy 1-2 cans of a solvent flush. The need to make sure you completely backflush the Evaporator assembly on the firewall. Leave hoses off the top, and use a piece of heatercore hose to direct the spray out of the lower port fitting that the expansion valve connects to. You want to drain a full solvent flush can in the evaporator case core. Then used clean filtered air if you have it to force the rest of the solvent out. I have seen some nasty orange milkshake colored stuff come out. Also make sure to wear full goggle type safety glasses, and nitrile gloves don't hurt either. As far as refill...you want to factor about 80-85% of the factory 4 pounds 8 ounce R12 charge these cars had. I found the formula like this: 4 lbs 8 oz = 16x 4 + 8=72 oz r12 85% 72 x 0.85=61.2 oz 80% 72 x 0.8 =6.4 57.6 oz R134A cans are normally are 12oz. You want the full cans without oil added. If you are redoing an existing system, the Ford service manual has measurements for the amount of oil you need to add per the system component. If you get a new Sanden compressor, they system oil charge comes in the compressor. There are some AC synthetic boosters you can add as well to increase system cooling. Also...be Leary about using propane in a vehicle HVAC systems. That eval core suffers a leak and one spark will be bad news. I have used Dupont in the past, but they sold out to a different company. Last time I did my '72, I had a mix of Dupont 134A and I grabbed a couple cans of 134A from my local Walmart. Guages I use are Harbor Freight specials. What's nice about them? Unscrew the 134A service ports and the hoses screw on the stock R12 service ports. When using cans...You want to always purge the hose every time you swap cans just to vent the air from the hose for the cans. Not much, but less air the better. 5 cans and I have really cold vent temps of around 44 degrees. Other key things...put the system together using oil compatible with the refrigerant. I forget but I have a bottle of I think mineral oil I use to lube all rings and fittings when screwing together. Do not cave man blunt force tighten stuff. just as the germans say "Gudentite" ![]() If you experience the top line on the eval case freezing up with frost, indicates low system charge and she needs a bit of a bump. I used the POA eliminator with a low pressure switch that I can adjust on the fly to tweak things. With that said...long winded as this post is already...I am liking at going back and adding an accumulator tank in the #12 hose between the compressor and evaporator case. additional items my brain has... pull your seats and carpet out. Wash the floor pan. Install a heat barrier. Butyl rubber/foil backed sound deadener and DEI boom mat thermal mat under carpet. Does HUGE wonders for killing radiant heat from the floorpan/Exhaust. If your fan is old...consider replacing it. Our fans don't seem like they flow enough air tbh. I am working on a project to adapt a Ford Econoline ball bearing fan, to the stock Torino fan housing as it's got more RPM's and less amp draw. Hope this helps a bit. Sorry if I am a bit over the place...long weekend, and lack of caffeine at 130AM. |
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Posted: 30-March-2025 at 8:56PM |
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How do you adjust the switch on the POA eliminator kit? Once mine shuts off, I'd like to lessen the time until it comes back on.
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1972 Gran Torino station wagon, light blue, 351C 2V, prior owner upgraded to 4V (2V heads), originally had a C4 but prior owner changed to C6 for some reason.
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Posted: 31-March-2025 at 7:00AM |
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Thanks Andrew for the full post, you touched on almost everything a person should consider in a car AC system. I'm still aiming to convert my 73's both to a 302 Explorer front dress. The sweet part is there are only two mounting brackets, anyone could do it given the right spacers and pulleys(crank and WP). I'd like to know if the OEM compressor for those would work with a 6k rpm shift point, and of course which POA kit or other line components are needed. I'm still a long way from starting, I have to retire and make a big house move, and get my complete Ranchero to start well. I put in a LiPoFe4 battery that can only handle 80 amps of charging, so I want to have a 3G made that runs below that. That will be hard, I want it to mount into the OEM bracket like the stock 4G would.
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Posted: 31-March-2025 at 8:32AM |
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Explorer 5.0 pushrod serp setup should be fine, just watch your hood clearances.
As far as the alternator, I’d seriously reconsider that lipo battery for a standard battery or an optima, in stock form these cars had 45-55-65 amp alternators. I’d personally run a 3G with either the 95 amp or the 140amp, but consider upgrading the 3G rotor bearings, forget which ones but believe they are a GM 1 wire bearing. Nearly 2x the width for longer life. Also the voltage regulator should be flipped. Forget if grey or white, but one has a much faster to charge time. EFI cars tend to have a delayed start on the regulator for the EFI engines and I swapped my regulator for a different Ford piece at the suggestion of my builder. 95amp will be a good option though overall. The blower fans and ac clutch can put a draw on the electrical system pretty heavily so keep that in mind. Also…make sure you check the condition of your fusable links off the starter solenoid. They have been know to burn our stuff down in the past.
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Thanks, my complete truck is fairly all original, I'll try to maintain as much as I can for the resale and ease of maintenance for a buyer. I've kind of planned to use a clutch fan and if possible an OEM shroud to cool the engine, so an electric fan wouldn't be required. I like the Group 24 battery for it's 11 year life, and the ability to survive not being started for long periods. I wish the 80 amp limit was a little higher, I saw the 95a 3G versions.
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Don
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Posted: 08-July-2025 at 4:45AM |
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Chiming back in:
Our systems need to honestly have an accumulator in the #12 line between the compressor and the evap case where the throttle suction valve (or in my case POA eliminator sits. After Hot Rod Powertour this year and a 1500+ mile trip to Colorado in the GTS… My conversion works decent at times but struggles. Not sure if charge level issues or what. I can’t run the fan on high speed without the breaker tripping after a few minutes. New fan, known good harness swapped in for the fan, and it just can’t handle high speed. Well, it handled it all week on HRPT until day 7 when we were rolling back home. Also replaced the circuit breaker thinking that was the issue and it was not. I’m stuck between Vintage Air or Restomod AC Haymaker S system, and using Old Air Products for adapters to the stock dash vents. Also checking the AC condenser again. I’m curious on those running the 508 series Sanden if it’s moving enough refrigerant. I had the 709 series on my old CVF Racing Beast belt drive and that compressor had plenty of volume for the job. I just don’t know if I want to spend the cash VA wants. Retromod option looks more reasonable but the controls can’t use the stock head unit like I want.
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Posted: 08-July-2025 at 6:11AM |
I don't mean this negatively, but how do you think that will help? Accumulators are used to capture and hold liquid refrigerant, sending the gas to the compressor, because compressors can grenade if they're fed liquid. There are r134a systems that use accumulators, especially on dual evaporator systems. but nearly all use a receiver drier in the liquid line prior to the metering device so that the metering device is fed liquid refrigerant. I don't think adding an accumulator will improve your performance. I don't know what you've all done, and I haven't gotten through your entire build thread yet. But you've done a lot of good things here with upgrades and all, I can only imagine how upsetting it is to have poor performance, when it should be freezing you out. It's simple for me to suggest it as I have a machine, but my first step for diagnosis would be to weigh out your charge and see if it's low. Did you add any uv dye to this when you originally charged it? The dye makes leak finding more of a visual inspection. 2nd would be to look at why the circuit breaker is blowing. I'd check draw with an amp clamp, and then maybe do voltage drop across different points in the circuit. Maybe check that your evaporator isn't plugged up and that your cowl isn't obstructed. It's interesting you mention the fan not blowing hard, as any air restriction would cause higher amperage draw from the fan. Running a relay for high speed isn't bad, and a lot of systems do that to avoid running high amperage through the switch. I don't know factory things enough to suggest something, but looking at my factory manual I don't think a DIY install would be difficult. Another tip for better AC would be to install a shut off valve of some sort on the heater hoses, as hot coolant in the hvac box isn't helpful when you want max ac performance. Easiest would be a manual ball valve in one of the hoses, or various vehicles had cable type and vacuum type valves that one could install. Make sure your recirc door is functional as well, guys will typically tee off the recirc door vacuum line to run a heater hose shut off valve. FYI if you're running a sanden 508 it would have 80% capacity compared to the factory york. That's if you're running the same diameter pulleys. Might or might not be your issue. The sd709 you mention would be approx 90% of the york. I'm a fan of the sd7 enhanced line, as that would have you at 13 in.³, more then the factory york's 10.3. Even the non-enhanced sd7h15 would be better then either the 508 or 709. FYI I think you can get this to work without gutting the system for a Vintage Air or Restomod AC, especially for what those companies are asking for them.
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