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Dubz
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Topic: New heads, old bottom end?Posted: 24-April-2024 at 11:10AM |
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Good day folks,
I have a set of Flotek 180cc aluminum cylinder heads kicking around my garage for the better part of 15 years that I've been pondering throwing on my 62,000 mile 351W from 74. The other engine goodies are a pair of headman shorty headers, 1.7 ratio rockers, an air gap intake, and 670cfm street avenger. I seem to recall hearing that new cylinder heads can stress out your piston rings on high mileage motors (120,000 miles +), as the new heads will flow better & seal wonderful giving those tired rings a new level of strain they haven't seen in eons. The recommendation is to yank the motor and re-do the bottom end if you've got it torn down to have the heads off anyway. Is that a legit concern or an old wives tale? If it is a legit concern, would that be mileage and/or age based? Any other thoughts around how to make that call, eg. compression test results, or visibly seeing what cylinders look like after the heads are off? Thanks for the guidance, Wesley
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Posted: 24-April-2024 at 12:46PM |
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I think it depends on how you are planning to drive your car. If it's going to be a boulevard cruiser that isn't going to see much in the way of stress and high RPMs, then I think it would be okay. Just don't be tempted to "get on it" too hard just because of it's improved performance. I'd also swap out the old timing chain with a good quality roller to be on the safe side.
Those sound like nice upgrades though.
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Posted: 25-April-2024 at 3:22PM |
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What kind of shape is the bottom end of your engine in? Hows the oil pressure and compression? If it's still pretty healthy, I might take a chance on it. Most do say it's better to do the entire motor, but not all of us have the cash.
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Posted: 25-April-2024 at 9:36PM |
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Back in the 70's I put rebuilt heads on a <100,000 mile small block Chevy. Immediately started using a fair amount of oil so I tore it down and rebuilt it. You may be luckier but I think more often than not they'll use more oil.
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Posted: 28-April-2024 at 5:37AM |
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Thanks folks, from the sounds of things it would be a gamble at best.
I'll plan for a compression test and cylinder leakdown and see how the bottom end seems before I throw all my chips in. Thanks again for the advice, Wesley
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Posted: 28-April-2024 at 6:19AM |
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i know it's a 'next level' move but if the heads are off, pull the short block an refresh it on the garage floor if need be. a cheap engine stand is a plus but $ can go for parts. rent a berrybush hone, wash the block on the driveway or at the car wash (after hours) and give it a fresh set of bearings, rings and timing set. if the oil pump worked before use it again. worth every penny. if the cylinders are extremely tapered / worn at the top it'll suffer at rpm, consider having it bored / honed the next oversize and new pistons to suit
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Posted: 30-April-2024 at 7:38AM |
Rock's advice is good, and shouldn't cost too much more. Fresh bearings and rings would make a big difference. You can probably get them for a good price from RockAuto or Summit, both of which ship to Canada for reasonable cost. Being in Manitoba, home of Princes Auto (harbour frieght for Canucks), you should be able to get a stand and other tools there on the cheap.
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Posted: 27-November-2025 at 2:00AM |
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At Dad's shop between '74 and '92 we put new or rebuilt heads on all sorts of high mileage bottom ends. Especially the Datsun and Ford 4 cylinders which seemed to blow head gaskets or strip timing belts with regularity. We never had any complaints about our repairs.
I agree though that boosting compression by a couple of points will undoubtedly stress the rings sealing capacity. As to improving flow, in '91 I pulled, ported, and had the the heads rebuilt on my 80k 351W in my '69 Mustang and it felt more powerful and did not use any more oil under my lead foot.
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