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    Posted: 10-January-2014 at 7:59AM
Put water in to test for leaking a while back. Never drained it. Have the car in garage so really didnt pay to much to it. Came home today and 2 plugs are on the floor and water everywhere. Can I get so encouragement? Now what should I do?.
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Very good chance the freeze plugs did their job and protected the block from cracking. You won't really know for sure until you install new plugs, refill with coolant and run the engine. Then inspect for signs of a cracked block. If none appear, you've dodged a bullet.
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+1 for Stan's advice.
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+2. There isn't much else you can do. Look for damage when you replace the plugs, and check it real good when you start it. You could pressure check the cooling system after replacing the plugs.
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I am worried I am in the same boat.  I don't think I did a full 50/50 when I was mucking around with the thermoustate 2 years ago and worry that it didn't survive -12 we had Monday and tuesday.   Its stored in my Mother in laws attached garage and I am heading over tomorow and hoping for the best.
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ice usually expands in all directions, by the time it's pushed out a freeze plug it has expanded all around it and cracked other areas. but you may be lucky and just replace the freeze plugs. about 20 years ago a buddy of mine had a vega with the stock 4 cylinder he had streight water in it, we were spinning around it this parking lot on the ice it was +13, he ran out of gas left it there, a week later we towed it to his house it was that cold the whole week, he covered the car with blankets and put an electric heater under the car, after about a couple of hours it thawed out (those engines only had one freeze plug in the front of the head,none in the block) and there was no damage to the engine! i would never have believed it if i didn't see it, so you may luck out(fingers crossed!!!)
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Remember, the "freeze plugs" aren't really there to be freeze plugs. They are where the casting cores for the water jacket are supported. Damage to the engine may be internal, like into an oil passage, lifter valley, crankcase, or a cylinder.  It may pop a head gasket or break a thermostat housing. Give it a good eyballing, and if it looks good, put a set of freeze plugs in, get a radiator pressure tester, and test the cooling system before you start the engine.
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^^ what they said. you won't likely see where the block is cracked if it is, could be in the lifter valley or in the back bellhousing area. I would just slap some rubber emergency plugs in there to see if the water & oil stay separated, then change them out for press in plugs when it's warmer

or not? ... those rubber plugs last a good long time

cali-johnny, that's pretty strange but I have a scenario that could splain it... if the engine was hot when it stopped / out of gas, the 'coolant' was expanded. then as the coolant froze, it only took up the same amount of space as it was already occupying   

got my fingers crossed, I haven't checked freeze protection in any of mine for a lot of years. my DD survived but I have one in the garage I haven't checked on yet

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thanks guys I'll try it. Just so ..... haven't even had the engine started after the rebuild.
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Originally posted by smhj smhj wrote:

thanks guys I'll try it. Just so ..... haven't even had the engine started after the rebuild.
a fresh engine froze?? THAT SUCKS!!
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The test kit doesn't have a fit for mine. Now what to do? What pressure should it reach and how long before I should feel a little comfort?
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Any progress/news?
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Originally posted by Big Bird Big Bird wrote:

Any progress/news?


X2. I am very curious as well!
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It really sux when you cant get a break... best of luck to you.
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^^^^ X2
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After a long cold winter and mountains of other projects back to this. Somewhere else I asked about hooking up a MSD box to a switched on 12v and people suggested the green wire with the red stripe. I got no spark from it. Went back to hooking it up to the battery for now. Now I'm back to backfire thru the carb. I turned the distributor both ways didn't seem to change. Firing order 137265. MSD box to distributor green to black purple/ purple to black red wire. 73 Cleveland 79 bronco distributor. Does it matter where you start the plugs on the distributor? 
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no, as long as you are on TDC on the compression stroke for the #1 cylinder, then follow the firing order in the direction of distributor rotation
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Restabbed the dis now she is spitting gas out if carb. Ideas please
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Moved plugs back 2 post and she fired. Confused but what the heck a gift. Turned it off and she stayed running not spitting and sputter but running. Any ideas?
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a couple possible reasons for this come to mind
1. Distributor out of phase (engine not at TDC when distributor installed, or not taking the helical cut gears into account when lining up the distributor).
2. timing chain jumped a couple teeth.

If it runs ok. I'd go with #1, if it runs - barely- and you can't get it closer with timing adjustment, I'd go with #2


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I'd say its just the dist being off.  Start from the beginning.  Pull the plug on #1 cyl, make sure its at TDC.  Make sure the dist is pointing at wire #1.  From there it should start and you should be able to get some timing on it.  If it won't start, your dist is 180 Deg off.  

Did you ever see the dist work? Not familiar with that dist, so maybe it needs a new sensor or has some issues, being used.  

I have heard of timing chains jumping when they are really old and worn, but never known anyone that had it happen to them. If it ran okay before the dist change, I would suspect the dist.
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Stayed running because I'm air headed at times. MSD was hooked up to battery. Never moved it to switched 12v. Looks like she survived the frozen block I hope. After 15 minutes or so of breaken it in the water came out like a fountain. Had the rad cap off to add water. Any ideas?
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check all the spark plugs one at a time see if one or two are wet with water and really clean,(as if it were steam cleaned) was it missing when it was running?
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Originally posted by smhj smhj wrote:

After 15 minutes or so of breaken it in the water came out like a fountain. Had the rad cap off to add water. Any ideas?


if you didn't have a fan blowing air through the radiator it could've simply overheated

not extremely uncommon but not great either

this is a 351C engine?

hopefully the head gaskets are oriented properly as they are marked 'FRONT'

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351C yes. Fan yep. Head gaskets? Sparkplugs looked good. Could it be thermostat never opened? Maybe drill small hole in it? Not sure what temp was right before it happened but it was looking good.
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good, yes thermostat may not have opened, yes drill a small hole in the flat part , i do that to all of mine, it keeps it from getting an air lock in the system
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I would not mess with drilling the thermo, etc.  Just get a new one.  I did all the screwing around with mine and in the end the old one was bad. I did the hot water trick and it would open, but not much. The new one opened more and wider.  You can easily spend an hour on a 15 min problem.
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true, i meant to say get a new one and if it don't have the small hole in it(many now do) then drill it and install the "new and improved" one!
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