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bamajips
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Topic: Timing Set ?Posted: 31-May-2024 at 5:13AM |
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I ordered Mevotech springs for my 76 400 (wont even ship til late June 😒) and to avoid shipping fees I just threw in a timing chain/sprocket set from Summit "Made in USA"
.... anyhow - the casting flashing is excessive, probaby file those bits off... My question is how do you know if this is stock retarded sprocket or if it's advanced? It said "performance". I read that needed double roller chain for the advance? I dunno. Should this be returned? I dont want to be 6 degrees retarded anymore
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Posted: 31-May-2024 at 3:41PM |
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The double roller timing set is a nice upgrade as it is stretch resistant and should, theoretically, last longer. Double rollers are available with adjustable keyways fir advancing the cam timing, standard replacement units are non-adjustable.
The retarded timing issue I have heard 2 opinons on how it was done. I have heard that the camshaft timing was retarded at the keyway on the stock timing set but...I have also heard that the dowel on the camshaft was moved in order to achieve the new timing. The only way to tell how it was done is by comparing the original timing marks with the new set after you get the old set out. The good news is the replacement sets are all "straight up" or 0* units and the picture of the set you posted, appears to be 0*. They are not retarded. I never noticed much of a performance gain after I replaced mine but it does run better as the old nylon stocker had some slack. It still pings when I use lower grade fuels.
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Posted: 31-May-2024 at 7:17PM |
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It may be weeks before I get around to doing my cam/timing set swap... I'm on the fence on whether to tear into it and do T.Meyer pistons... and if I do that I'll need all the associated machine work... then Id LIKE to have a hydraulic roller cam, but cant believe how ridiculously expensive they have become...
As it sits now I have a Weiand 4v intake and Edelbrock 1906 AVS2, but wont install those untilnI have cam selected... no reason to tear that far into it and not do cam imho... so the timing set will sit on the shelf. I had wanted to get all my suspension upgrades finished first before adding go fast goodies. My front springs are delayed until June 21 expected ship date 😒 Waiting for my 1-1/8" front sway bar. Id like to get a 3.50:1 posi (Traction Lok) 3rd member... id like all the underneath to be finished before the go go go since she handlesnso floaty right now. So... I guess I'm rambling about not doing any upgrades right now hahaha
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Posted: 01-June-2024 at 12:32PM |
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Just doing a 4bbl, intake, timing set, some ignition tuning and good dual exhaust woke up my 400. It wasn't a barn stormer, but it ran strong for a lo-compression engine. Rockatansky is our resident expert on 335 series engines. He might have some ideas on some build options.
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Posted: 01-June-2024 at 3:37PM |
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there were 2 camshaft timing changes to the 335 series engine family. the 1st was done by grinding the 1972 Cobra Jet / 4V cam itself 4* retarded from 1971 specs, the grind is identical except for being 4* retarded. the 2nd was a change to the crank timing sprocket for the 1973 model year, the key slot in the gear is cut to retard the D3xx gear 4* from the original C8xx gear. the 1st change wouldn't affect your engine but i'll bet you have the D3xx gear in your 400 as far as using an aftermarket timing set as many recommend to restore cam timing to pre-retard spec, i'm not sure it's that easy? the only way to be sure where your cam is timed is to degree it. the uncertainty lies in what spec the aftermarket timing set in question conforms to. at the time this was going on the EPA was a BIG BROTHER and nobody wanted run afoul of gov regs. my suspicion is that most / if not all std replacement timing sets conformed to the later retarded spec but i have no documentation either way. that timing set to me looks like a std replacement deal with 'silent' chain and steel gears. i wouldn't sweat the casting flash unless you think some of it could come loose? i've compared several unknown double roller timing sets and none of them are the same there's some cam and timing set info in Bubba's M Block Workshop |
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Posted: 02-June-2024 at 3:47AM |
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For the timing set, get one with rollers, and no seams, that's plenty for anything but a high performance high rpm engine. Checking the cam timing is smart if you think it may possibly be off or wrong. The degree wheel is not that expensive, and it's fun to check it. A roller cam(custom not off the shelf) has gone up like everything else, what used to be $400 is closer to $500 now. Don't pay more than that, and many custom cam guys used to give a $100 discount for being a forum member of some forums. A real custom roller cam is a lot better than any flat tappet, but also because it usually requires unique valve springs to work with it. The custom cam is great, but using one with an unknown spring is not smart, you will give up efficiency, reliability, high rpm power, and lifespan. The special valve springs will be beehive, lighter, stronger, and specifically chosen by the cam designer to work better and last longer. With lesser springs(whatever comes on the new heads), the cam cannot be as big with as fast of ramp rates, it has to be slower and with easier rates to save the springs. It's a special dance of parts, which is why no one should select a cam, or take advice towards one. Let the true expert design the cam, and tell you what springs to install with it. That's the best, everything else is a tossed together wish list of parts, so might as well go super cheap with cheap parts.
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