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Anderslober
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Ok guys…I got the new Cardone distributor from rockauto. Darn it…I think I messed up.
The unit I ordered was the ‘tall’ version….my fault. See picture. Can it be run anyway? I opened it up to check the innards. No numbers anywhere……no limiting bushing either…… See picture…. |
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Anderslober
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Innards….no numbers..
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Anderslober
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Regarding the 429cj dizzy….yes, I know…high value…I will of course keep it. Can it be run in the 351c??…
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Anderslober
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I am sorry….what ‘post in the 10 slot’..are you referring? What do you mean?
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72 RS 351
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Ditto. The 429/460/400 and 351 distributors are the same except for the oil pump drive gear(351W), and the part/model numbers. Check the numbers, you may have one that is exceptionally valuable, and worth selling now. For numbers matching cars or engines, some people do pay a mint for certain parts. For your car there are several good brands to use, including the OEM distributors. That original one you have may possibly be usable, depending on the condition of the housing, the guts of course, and that one damaged bolt hole; I'd call that fixable or usable.
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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Anderslober
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The 429cj dizzy is back together. It is an ‘Autoline D448’….it came with a car I bought a few years ago. Quality of build is MUCH higher than the new Cardone from rockauto.
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Rockatansky
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1st, what's the Rockauto / Cardone part number on that? next, what are all the numbers on the dual point, including the date code below the 12127 ? what i mean by 'post in the 10 slot', it looks like the advance limit post (that the bushing fits on) is assembled into the 13 slot? you can either leave it there and run 6* less initial timing or disassemble the top piece and flip it 180* to run the advance limit post in the 10 slot and run 6* more initial timing. the 13 slot will give 26* mechanical and set initial at 10*-12* or the 10 slot will give 20* mechanical and run 16*-18* initial are you up for dual points? Don, 351W uses a 5/16" hex oil pump driveshaft also |
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Rockatansky
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the Autoline tag is put on by a remanufacturer, i'd remove it, junk |
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Anderslober
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See earlier post regarding rockauto/Cardone part number. I posted a picture of the online catalogue.
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Rockatansky
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OK closer look at the Cardone site, they make all new distributors, they're not OEM castings remanufactured. now i look at the inside of the Cardone and there is no limit post at all! i wonder how much advance the mechanism allows and what stops it other than physical interference at the end of travel? the height is only an issue if it causes an issue, air cleaner clearance? but make sure they have the correct diameter gear on the shaft, the Cleveland gear is larger diameter than the Windsor. and there is a critical dimension for that gear so that it's not too low on the shaft to cause binding in the engine. some aftermarket / reman dizzy's are not in spec and damage the corresponding gear on the camshaft. there is no critical length for how far downward the shaft can drop but the shaft and the bottom surface of the gear needs to be able to travel upward far enough to allow a free play clearance for oil between the bottom of the gear and the block |
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pyntre
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Contact DUI /Performance Distributors
They can put a really nice distributor together for you built to your specs . The distributor is the heart of the engine , gotta get that spot on !!! I just did the whole 3g / HEI conversation on my car , barely touch the key and this thing is running !!
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Anderslober
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I am a huge stickler for stock/original setups. I have difficulty putting in Pertronix!👍 Though I like Pertronix!
I am already trying to find a new year-correct dizzy housing for my 72 CJ. D2ZF…. I am bummed by the damage I caused to the original housing😑. But, I had to be able to set the timing…..so, it is what is. Fixable…?….I dont think it is. I will keep it though.
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Rockatansky
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the broken housing should be easily fixable by welding the tab back shut and retapping the hole, that was going to be my suggestion but you already ordered the Cardone it might even hold as it is, the tab looks like it still might hold the screw firmly?
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Anderslober
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I actually thought of that. Welding it up and drilling/tapping again. Snt the housing somekind of aluminum/potash/metal….not so good for welding, I presumed. I will probably do that in the future…to preserve the original housing.
Have you done it before?
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72 RS 351
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Check that drive gear spec carefully, be sure it will go down far enough, but not be forced in contact when bolted down. Also look at the roll pin closely in the Cardone unit, there have been many issues with weak pins in aftermarket distributors. There are lower quality steel roll pins available, and some companies have use them. You can buy a large number of a high quality pin, but try not to have to do that. The 1/4" oil pump drive shaft is in 302's and 289's only BTW, only the drive gear differs with the 351W(versus the 351C). I'm going to need a cam synchronizer for my final 351C, not a distributor. The Explorer 302 is the most feasible, OEM about $120, but only the aftermarket makes a 351 version, $400ish. It's for more advanced EFI, the DIS or COP ignition.
Edited by 72 RS 351 - 05-July-2022 at 10:12AM |
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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Rockatansky
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289 / 302 / 5.0 use a 1/4" hex oil pump drive, all Windsors (90*/ Fairlane V8 family) us the same 1.25" diameter gear 351W, 351C, 351M and 400 use a 5/16" hex oil pump drive, 335 and 385 Series engines all use the same 1.41" diameter gear |
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Anderslober
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Where do you fellas buy the tiny bushing material? Can ‘anything’ that fits the limiter be used?
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72 RS 351
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I meant 1/4", I was trying to make it clear for all, and failed. Sorry again,
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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Rockatansky
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but yeah you can install a Cleveland gear in the correct position on a 351W distributor and it'll work just fine
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72 RS 351
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That's what I'll do for my 351C, buy a 351W cam synch and change the gear. There have been a couple of people who altered a mid 90's 351W synchronizer in some way for a 460, I need to hunt that again and see if that's cheaper than the aftermarket units Holley and Pro M make.
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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Anderslober
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I got the new distributor. Very nice Motorcraft unit!
Only one small difference….the rotor shaft on the new dizzy is a bit longer than the original. Problem? |
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72 RS 351
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Look at the lobes below the top, see that those line up with the points when installed. If they line up, then the top is okay if the rotor and cap fit it.
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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Anderslober
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It fit fine! I ran the normal points…..got it started and set timing.
Very easy to set timing with a dizzy than can move! I am not out of the woods yet though…..carb developed a leak from the top gasket.🥴 I will fully service and clean the carb. I have taken it completely apart and will put it in the parts cleaner.🤠 Now just waiting for carb kit to arrive.👍
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72 RS 351
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Excellent, those small details make or break the combination.
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Don
73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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Rockatansky
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that height difference may be an issue in regards to how the rotor aligns with the cap terminals, do you have an old dist cap that's pretty shot-out and you're not going to be using again? i'd window a cap and see how the rotor alignment is on each distributor, or if it fits at all? |
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Anderslober
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That was exactly my thinking. The height of the rotor is the same on either dizzy. I measured it. Phew!
The new dizzy works just fine. Just need to fix the carb leak now…👍
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