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    Posted: 29-August-2013 at 1:15PM
For those of you that changed your floor shift car to a 4 speed car did you have to alter the hump any or the factory hole in the floor or does all of this work with the 4 speed?Console too?Thanks,Scott
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I'm sure this has a lot to do with which tranny you'll be using. Which one will you choose, or do you have it already?
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The tunnel hump is basically the same for floor shift auto and top loader 4spd. postion is the same for both. the 4spd hump has a provisions for the rev light wiring.... A small hole on the driver side.I have come across some floor auto shift humps with the small hole as well,just with a rubber plug in it. I have only used a factory shifter for my 2 top loader conversions.If i were racing my 4spd car. I would change to a hurst super shifter,But I believe it wont work with the factory console. Anybody tried this?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-August-2013 at 7:39AM
I don't have the tranny yet but it will be a 72-73 factory 4 speed trans if I do it.
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These are the Toploader ID numbers for a '72-'73 Gran Torino Sport 4 speed. They are on a riveted tag affixed to the transmission body:


RUG-BF
1972
Fairlane
351
wide
Before 12/1/71
28-spline



RUG-BF1
1972
Fairlane
351
wide
After 12/1/71
28-spline



RUG-BG
1972
Fairlane
351
wide
Before 12/1/71
31-spline



RUG-BG1
1972
Torino
351
wide
After 12/1/71
31-spline

RUG-BG2
1973
Torino
351
wide
31-spline

** Ignore the Fairlane designation, as Ford will sometimes use that for reference to Midsize units **
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A very cool trick is to find a '77-'78 Granada with the 4 speed option. These Toploaders were built with a .81 "4th" gear. These gears can be retrofitted into an earlier case to get a cool overdrive transmission and still keep the Toploader. It was an iron case as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eliteman76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-August-2013 at 5:03AM
I read that those are not technically a top loader? I'm probably wrong but I swore David Kee had something on his website about that.
I'm running a competition shifter, my understanding this was what my car came with.
Also, with my console, its a bit close when I toss in to reverse...but no issues.
I still need to buy a reverse light switch and the bracket. Mine was lost to the sands of time.

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http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm
40 some years after the fact, you can find anything as far as trans tags go. my trans is RUG-AR, which is supposed to be a Close Ratio for a 1970... somewhere along the line it became a Wide Ratio. 99% of the time, especially when it ~just has to work again~ strange things happen Wacko on the builders bench  
 
anybody got an extra factory Ford reverse shift rod for a 72 4 speed?


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Originally posted by unlovedford unlovedford wrote:

A very cool trick is to find a '77-'78 Granada with the 4 speed option. These Toploaders were built with a .81 "4th" gear. These gears can be retrofitted into an earlier case to get a cool overdrive transmission and still keep the Toploader. It was an iron case as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psquare75 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-September-2013 at 5:33AM
David Kee is so afraid of those OD toploaders yet quite a few Power-Tour guys use em. Who power shifts from 3rd into 4th anyway?. I was going to do one in my F100, but a TKO seemed to be cheaper and easier in the long run.
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I've had a couple of them in Granadas and while mine were driven pretty easily, they seemed to have no real issues. Bad press made them appear worse than they were, and when hooked to a 250 six the spread between 3rd and 4th was pretty wide. Nothing huge, but enough to notice with 90 horsepower. Add another 100 and you'd not really notice.

If I could find one, I would do that swap into one of the spare Toploaders I have sitting in the garage - just to eliminate a lot of hassle adapting a 5 speed to a Cleveland.
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Not that big a hassle. Tko 500, have the input swapped to the shorter shaft, my case upgrade the shifter for pads for hard shifting, reuse toploader bellhouse and linkage.
I know of a couple toploader Granada units in the yard two hours from Omaha.
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