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    Posted: 09-July-2011 at 4:57AM
I've ordered two fast back rear window seals for my 72 from Dearborn. Neither fit, both seem like formal roof seals despite having the correct part number and all. Seem way too small and we don't think there is anyway they'd stretch over the window. Anyone else experience this?

I've returned the seals for a refund and they're looking into the situation. However, I need to get rolling on the window install so I can finish the car up. What other sources of rear window seals are there?

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have you done the headliner or does your car have a good original headliner?
Just asking cause the headliner has to be done before the rear window instal as it wraps around the window flange to hold it.
I looked on Auto Krafters but they only have the formal roof
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If Dearborn doesn't have the correct one I have no idea who does

How short is is because a formal roof glass is a big difference then a
fastback.Did you try laying it in the sunn to soften the rubber to see if it would stretch. My guess is they are gonna be a littel tight and need to be stretched but a formal seal would only go around the top part and sides and then the seal would be cutting off about 8 inches of glass.

wish you took photos of it as I could tell wether it just needed stretching or it was actually a formal roof glass seal
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kversch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-July-2011 at 7:07AM
I remember someone on here having similar problems with dearborn and rear window seals,  I dont recall who it was or what the outcome was exactly.

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I'll get some pictures. I also didn't know about the rear window having to go in AFTER the headliner. This is 100% correct? 
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yes headliner has to be installed before the back glass cas the fabric of the headliner gets glued to the window opening flange and wraps around to the outside of that lip that the gasket sloand the gasket itself helps hold the headliner in place.
there is a new member who had a headliner installed and they didn't remove the glass to install it and simply glued it along that back edge and the heat melts the glue and the headliner starts to sag cause the headliner is not wrapped around that lip and then having the gasket over it to help keep it from coming loose.

Ask Eliteman76 aka Andy he installed his own headliner after hs 72 GTS
was painted and he said he will never do another cause it is such a PIA to stretch it and get it all tight with no loose or sags.

I din't want you to install the back glass if you have no headliner or plan on replacing it with a new one.
They also tuck under the edges of the roof channel that holds the roof channel gasket. I found this out when I was removing the driprail moldings on my 72 GTS and noticed the headliner material under the
roof channel after i took it off to get to the driprail screws
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you might try steele rubber company they have seals for the 72 fastback body   web site steelerubber.com
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I had the same problem. The first one was way too small. They finally got me the correct one. Took about a month of calling and talking to guy named Levi.
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Thanks guys. I'm calling and trying to get the right part but they seem a bit slow. Thanks,
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I bought my seal kit from Autokrafters.
I prefer to not say negative things, so I will leave it as I prefer to purchase my materials from Autokrafters.
My rear window seal came in around a month after I ordered my window kit.
The seals were made by John Carpenter reproductions, and they do nice work {At least the AutoKrafter's kit}. Only thing I feel is lacking was to a degree the beltline weather strip pieces, but this has been discussed to death.
Yes, the headliner is a complete PITA.

I almost want to redo mine. But I am not tearing my car back apart. I urethane sealed the side rails to the roof {thought I had black caulking/silicone}. SO I am SOL and JWF.

Have the head liner installed or take your time and take plenty or pain killers to remove the migraine you will have doing this job.

I'm whining about this, but really...it took me two days to get this mess installed.


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OH, another thing. We used water and dove dish soap mixed in a sprayer to allow the seal and window to help seat to the pinch weld.

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As a glass installer let me say that we used to use the soapy water to rope in rubber seal windows but it dries & cakes. Nowadays we use WD-40. Slips in like magic.
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Got a question for you then...I would have probably done that, but paint was 7 days old at that point.
Figured soapy water was safer.
 
My rear window, I followed the assembly manual directions, but I am still getting minor water leakage in my trunk.
Would you lay a bead of urathane in the channel around the rear weatherstrip? I'm hesitant to do this, but irritated I am getting small amounts of water in the trunk.
 
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Don't use urathane with the rubber gasket. It'll work for awhile then separate. Use "liquid butyl". That's what we call it anyway. It's a sealer made for what you are doing that stays soft. Should be able to get it at glass shops or auto body suppliers.
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I will chime in as well after having done both a headliner and rear window recently.
Yes, headliner must go in first, asprin is recommended (I used beer) but actually not all that bad of an experience.
Rear window seal, highly recommend WD for positioning and definitely use butyl. I tried urathane and ended up cutting it back out (that was whiskey night).
When I put it back again, I used a very little butyl in the actual gasket at the bottom.
No leaks and looks good.
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the best stuff to use is a 3M bedding compound used for rubber gasket window intallation. It is better then the 3M window weld as it does not sag like window weld which is more of a liquid

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Guys, Dearnborn has sent me this "real seal" three times. I and my window installer don't see how it is going to fit. The straight part obviously goes at the bottom of the window. But the rest of it isn't nearly long enough to go around the window and doesn't have contoured edges.

Is this seal correct?
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Looks to be a formal roof seal as it don't look big enough for the fastback rear glass. I think the part numbers are mixed up and if you were to order a formal roof you might get the sport fastback gasket but I would call and see if they can put a hands on and open the box and check before sending it

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I'd be pretty po'd if I bought a formal roof seal, thinking it'll fit my sedan, and it be too big like it's for a fastback. It might be a year or two before I get around to recon on my package shelf and rear window trim, and I'll be installing a new seal when I do. I hope we're able to get this resolved with Dearborn/Ecklers by then. We have clout, we just need to USE it.
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Ron, sorry to see you are having crap for luck with Dearborn.
I prefer to not talk negitively about Dearborn, but I called up AutoKrafters as that is who I use for my parts.
The gentleman I spoke with at AutoKrafters said their vendor had been making the mistake, and they are due to get the correct Sport specific fastback glass weatherstripping in around 3-4 weeks.
He had said the Vendor was the one who had the problems with incorrect part number on the piece. Hell, I even remember mine coming in, with the part number crossed off and a different Ford number hand written on the label last April.
When I got my kit, alot of the weatherstripping from the kit, and specifically the rear glass weatherstrip came from a company called John Carpenter reproductions.
I brought up John Carpenter, and the AutoKrafters guy said, yes, that is the Vendor.
 
While I was discussing, I also brought up the belt line weatherstrips, and the 1/4 glass rollers, of which I got the answer I was expecting...the belt line weatherstrips are what is made by "Repops'"and no one makes the rear window roller guides for the 72-73.
 
Ron, bascially, you are going to have to sit tight, but in this case, don't get angry with Dearborn, I would just ask to have then send you the correct replacement specific for a '72 Gran Torino Sport, and specifically tell the it is the fastback roof, and not the formal roof model.
 
 
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Does AutoKrafters make the color-keyed rear window gasket/weatherstrip for the formal top cars? The '72 I parted out had the tan moulding and my '76 has the maroon one. Just wanted to check before we start tearing out a window that I may not be able to get a new piece.
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Well if they won't physically go out in the wharehouse open the box and check before sending it they won't correct the problem if the part numbers are wrong. So call and see if they can check both seals and send you which ever one is bigger

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Dennis Carpenter makes the reproduction rear window rubber for the fastback. The part # is D20Z-6342084-D. It only comes in black and is $70.00. The other original colors are not available.
He also makes it for the formal roof.

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What other colors? I thought all rear window gaskets are black rubber on every year 72-76

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No they weren't. Depends on what color your interior was. Originally my white interior had white rubber.

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Whifty's correct. Originally mine had a tan interior and a tan window seal. The new ones are all black though.
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is it only colored on the inside part? Kinda would look dumb with the outside a color although most of it is covered by the stainless moldings.well both my 73 >ormals hade black interiors and my 72 has blue interior but don't recall the gasket looking blue.I guess they made them in color as there was no trim over the rubber on the inside but thatks a new one for me as never seen a colored gasket before
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Mine was tan on both sides. The molding does cover most of it on the outside so it wasn't very noticeable.
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I always thought it was a stupid idea. My white one would get mildew on the outside, and I would have to put a little bleach to kill the mildew.
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They are color keyed on both sides. I had to scrub mine thoroughly to get them to show their colors, but they did and looked pretty good. In retrospect, they probably had to do that in order to get the "finished" look on the inside, as the design made it show against the headliner. Guess I will be carefully removing mine from the '76 unless I decide to change colors.
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In the case of the rear glass weatherstip, the '73 GTS that I had sold to Jeff but ended up parting out due to not being able to ship, had the color keyed blue weatherstrip.
 
The ginger interior of the '73 sport sitting in Colorado at my buddy's place also was a ginger weatherstrip.
Issue becomes over time, the weatherstrips degrade and you need to replace them.
 
I'm thankful someone has the tooling to reproduce them!
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