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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4916 |
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One other note...I used to be someone that pissed and moaned and yelled alot...probably because I've mellowed out and become one-fifth less of an asshat as I age, but one of the long-standing guys, Tim, that was on the Yahoo Torino site, before the split off to the MSN site, had ordered white seat cover kit for his 72/73 GTS, and in his highly edited words to me, "The interior kit was complete f-ing garbage". He was out like $400-$500 and Dearborn sort of was like forget you for bad mouthing us like you did, we don't want your business any longer.
{Grant,the poor SOB died from a heart attack like 6 years ago, so it's a moot point now.}
Someone at Dearborn was a forum troll and after the guy tried to work things out, because he bad mouthed them to the degree, he got screwed over.
This was granted 8+ years ago, but one of the reasons I prefer to not go to the extreme.
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well I looked at my gasket on my 72 GTS and it is in fact blue. I am switching to a black interior so there is no big deal for me as I want black and my gasket is split on both sides. I will worry about this down the road and hopefully by then they will have the problem resolved.
I never knew they had colored gaskets as my first 73 formal had blacinterior as well as the 73 formal I am parting out and the one on my 72 is kinda dark so I never noticed it was blue to I looked closer. I really don't think it would matter much on cars with other colored interiors as you only see about an inch of gasket around the glass from the inside and most all other manufactures used Black gaskets as I am not aware of any that had colored one like Ford. Did alot of MOPAR restorations and they all had black gaskets.Guess back then Ford was trying to color coordinate everything to match. Edited by 73 ProStreetTorino - 26-July-2011 at 6:44AM |
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unlovedford ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-December-2010 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 10142 |
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Better Ideas Build Better Cars.
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Joe
1972 Mom's Squire Wagon 1972 Torino Wagon 1976 Torino 1968 Cougar XR7-First batch 1972 Torino 460 1989 BroncoII/Jeeps/Titanimous Popeye and Brutus (Rams) |
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Ron Earp ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06-November-2010 Location: Cary NC Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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I asked them to do just that. And, I got another formal roof seal. I'll call them today and return it. Then I'll wait for AutoKrafters to get some seals. Ron |
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Ron Earp ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06-November-2010 Location: Cary NC Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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Thanks for that Dennis Carpenter link. It should be:
http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/ Auto Krafters seems to say they can't get a fastback seal. |
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lynchster ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07-January-2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 2129 |
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Odd that's where I got mine. What company was it that just got sold? Chuck
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72 Gran Torino Sport 08 Taurus (Maytag) 03 Dakota (Rusty) |
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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4916 |
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Autokrafters told me 3-4 weeks before they will have them.
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stanman ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23-March-2007 Location: Nova Scotia, Ca Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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Has anyone contacted Dennis Carpenter's directly, or are they wholesale only?
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gpd294 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 18-September-2008 Location: Dallas, Texas Status: Offline Points: 2164 |
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Dearborn Classics was picked up by Ecklers now. I haven't ordered anything from them recently though.
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Carlos....1975 Gran Torino Squire Station Wagon restored to look like a 1973 Torino Station
Wagon my Dad bought new from McAnary Ford on June 6, 1973 in Gary,Indiana |
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whifty ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 18-April-2011 Location: C.S.A. Status: Offline Points: 143 |
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Dennis Carpenter is the manufacturer of the weatherstripping and you can buy direct from him. He sells other parts too but his main business is Ford weatherstripping & Cushman parts
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1937 Tudor Slantback 1966 427 Fairlane 1972 429 Gran Torino Sport 1992 5.0 Mustang 2003 Mustang Mach I 2005 F-150 ASE Certified Master Technician |
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stanman ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23-March-2007 Location: Nova Scotia, Ca Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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If I'm not mistaken there is an outlet (maybe the only one, IDK) on Route 29 just east of Charlotte Speedway in Concord, NC. I drove past it but didn't have time to stop and look around.
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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4916 |
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Not to get off track, but DC did at one time have the only source for factory shortbox Ford sheetmetal for F series trucks. Back to topic, all you can do it wait it out I guess at this point.
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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AAH! I just got mine from Dearborn and my window is removed! Say it ain't so! Now I gotta go pre-fit it!!!
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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4916 |
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Chris-
Just double check and see if the seal you have is correct.
The suppliers should have this issue fixed by now.
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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I just checked it, seems really tight, like I would have to stretch it 30-40%. I am going to try it on the old window first (after cleaning). Glad I caught this thread!
Thanks!
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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GAHH....Dearborn (Eckler) shipped me the WRONG seal, it's for a coupe for sure. Way too small. Like everyone else here. Recurring theme? Looks like they haven't fixed their problem yet
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kversch ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 02-December-2009 Location: New york Status: Offline Points: 1399 |
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well atleast it looks like i can go to dearborn for the rear window seal for our 72 since its a coupe
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Brown 72 gran torino 351c 2v Black 73 GTS FB 302 Red 73 GTS FB 351C C6 trans 73 GTS FB Parted 73 torino 4dr, 302, FMX parted 97 F250 crew cab 7.3 diesel http://kverschtorino.blogspot.com/ |
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unlovedford ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-December-2010 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 10142 |
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Well, our '73 rear window does not leak and the gasket looks good, but we will be pulling it out once the restoration begins. I'll keep a close eye on this thread and grab the correct seal when someone finds a good source. Thanks!
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well looks like this is where to get the Sportroof gasket |
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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For what it's worth, I called Dearborn (Eckler's) and told them the deal and that our GTS.Org members are experiencing the same issue of mil-labelled FB window seals.
They seem to be taking this seriously, and have authorized a stock check (where they verify the actual item's validity). She called me later in the day to tell me this, and promised that someone will be notifying me within 24 hours with a resolution. So there is hope! I will keep you all informed of what goes down... ~Chris
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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For what it's worth, I called Dennis Carpenter, and they are out of stock for 2-4 weeks on the seal.
I called Eckler's and they won't do anything until the part is in-house, then they will do a 'stock check' to verify that the parts are mislabeled. Bottom line is, don't expect a response for at least a week from these guys ![]() I went to ebay and found what looks to be the correct part# and description: So, I am going to call them and verify that they have no part issues, then order it from these guys. Good times!
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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OK, no stock, but they are getting some in early next week.
WOOHOO!
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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4916 |
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Amazing there is this much of a problem to get that seal.
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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Well, you guys are NOT going to believe this! I called in an order to that ebay guy for the rear fastback window seal....he was supposed to get stock delivered last week AND - - - I called him this week for a status update and guess what????? It is the Carpenter piece and his delivery did not come in, so he called the supplier and other suppliers to see if he could get it - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AND- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Here is why you cannot get the piece: The tooling is BROKEN. Estimated at 6 weeks before they start producing again ![]() Now, my Torino sits WINDOWLESS in my garage. I feel like I will be lucky to get it back in by THANKSGIVING ![]() DAYUM!!!!! Just a heads-up for all of you who are considering a new FB window seal. OH, THE PAIN!!!!! ~Chris |
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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Hey! ![]() Guess WHAT? ![]() I called Carpenter on Monday...they have 45 rear fastback seals ![]() I ordered mine.. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Gonna order a spare ![]() WOOHOOOO!!!!!!! Any last minute tips for re-installing it? ![]() ~Chris
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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4916 |
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LOL...Chris, good news.
As far as installing. Yes. Call an experienced glass guy. I spent ~2 hours fighting, slapping and cussing. All things aside, there was some debate about the best ways to install, have not looked in this thread recently. Trying to dig through the FoMoCo service CD I have on my Imac, but not finding what I need. Found for door glass, front glass, and back glass, but for cars with the butyl seal, not the weatherstrip seal. |
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sorry had technically issues with my mobile and could not post anythingI managed to get the word Help to show but could not edit after that.
I don't need any help myself as I have installed glass in car at the bodyshops more then once and can do it all myself and the rubber gasket type is the easiest as it only takes rope to install them and some sealer on the metal flange so the gasket does not leak water between it and let water sit in there and rot the lip off. Edited by 72 GTS 429 - 12-November-2011 at 8:28AM |
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madmaxtorino ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Zombie Killing Training Instructor Joined: 04-August-2010 Location: Lawrenceburg Tn Status: Offline Points: 970 |
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what kind of help do you need 911 would be faster
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Allan
Revelation 6:8 When there is no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth. |
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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I think Jeff is also looking for guidance on installing the fastback window gasket?
I know I reviewed the shop manual and it left a LOT to be desired. Do I lay down the adhesive on the metal first, let it get tacky, lay the window on there and use the string trick to pull the weatherstrip around to the inside? It looks like it has to set up and get tacky first,but I wonder if using the rope will disturb the sealer when I pull it through... Also, a question of the weatherstrip on the body at the bottom. Can that keep water out, or should I lay down a thin amount of adhesive along it to keep water out? Not making a move until i definitively find out...and winter is coming. The wife may actually kill me for giving her car the boot! Then you guys will be sorry! ...or REAL happy!!! ![]() ~Chris
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crispy23c ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10-November-2007 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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Ok,ok,ok! Rear window went into Torino Beast in about an hour. After 24 hours of thinking
Not so bad. Here is what I did: 1) Thoroughly cleaned then trial fitted rubber around window. Put window in sun to soften up rubber 2) Pulled rubber mostly off of window lip and put glazing compound around seal on the OUTSIDE near the edge of the window (so it wouldn't show around rubber seal when I put it back on, but will hold out water; 3) Cleaned ridge on the body near bottom of window with denatured alcohol and mounted foam tape 4) Used a lot of WD-40 in lip in between where metal body would sit, and tied rope so it is centered at the bottom of the window 5) Slid window into position, pushing it upward as much as possible. There is a narrow strip of metal that is exposed (right next to the foam) that I put a bead of window seal on to insure no water would get in (I HOPE), then used cloth-wrapped flat-edge screwdriver to push lower gasket tabs down into passenger compartment, then pushed window AWAY from edge. This gave me the gap I needed to slide tube applicator in and under top of seal; 6) I had my lovely assistant (wife) help me pull the rope, SLOWLY pulling rope INWARD and DOWN toward center of tray shelf. This gets the gasket to seat properly on the metal pinch weld. While she was doing that, I was applying the adhesive, RIGHT BEHIND where she was pulling the rope, so as the gasket was falling into place the glue was being applied 7) worked to the top 1/2 of the window, then stopped and re-started at the bottom of the passenger side, first pushing in the rubber tab at the bottom of the seal. Make sure you shift the window towards the driver's side (about a 1/4" works), so you can slip the applicator tip in and under the seal again; 8) Worked towards center, top of window, following closely behind rope (again) until the seal was at the middle, making sure to stay right behind the rope so the seal wouldn't close before I put in the sealer; 9) re-centered the window by pushing it around until all gape were pretty equal Sounds more complicated than it is, I think that thinking it through for a day really helped. Letting it set up for a couple of days then I will water test it (Fingers crossed!), but the sealer is poking out from the rubber all around, and it looks nice and uniform, I hope this helps others in their quest for a new window seal!!!! Here are some pics... Here is a pic of the rope being pulled by my patient wife ![]() ![]() Here is a pic of (roughly) where I tied the 1/4 nylon rope, working it in between the lips of the seal (after WD-40-ing inside the 2 lips. Rope goes all around the window and is tied off on the inside of the window so it can be pulled inward. The upper right hand corner of the window molding is fine, it's just a reflection ![]() Oh, I also used painter's tape to hold defrost cables in place so they wouldn't get in the way or stressed on the solder points ![]() Finally, here is the window installed. I have all the harnesses I need (THANK YOU ALAN for all the help at the junkyard in Maine the other day, I needed missing a 3' piece of defrost cable & connector, so we went there together and found one! ![]() Edited by 72 GTS 429 - 12-November-2011 at 8:41AM |
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