460 motor mounts for 72 Gran Torino
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Topic: 460 motor mounts for 72 Gran Torino
Posted By: 72RogerGT
Subject: 460 motor mounts for 72 Gran Torino
Date Posted: 05-October-2013 at 8:34PM
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Hi, everyone I know most you guys don't know me but I have been following the forum for a while. Well, today I found a set of 460 motor mounts in craigslist. I talked to da seller and he told me they came off a 77 tbird. I have read that 72-76 tbird mounts work yet I am not sure if these will work. I have been reading posts regarding the issue yet no one mentions anything about the 77s. Do any of you guys have any knowledge if these will work? Thanks in advance, Roger. |
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Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 05-October-2013 at 11:35PM
The factory didn't install a 460 in a 77 thunderbird. They did install them in 77 Rancheros though. '75-'76 T-bird motor mounts will fit perfectly. If you can, get part numbers to be sure of fitament. Sounds kind of like sellers who claim to a have a 351 Cleveland "factory" installed in a 77-79 T-bird  . Good luck.
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Posted By: 72RogerGT
Date Posted: 06-October-2013 at 10:41AM
| Lol I read about that too so hopefully the seller got it messed up. Ill let u guys know wat happens. |
Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 06-October-2013 at 1:07PM
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Here is the scoop on the 460/429 thing in the 72-79 Ford merc midside platform. The 429/460 was offered as an option in the 72-76 full frame midsize cars. These included the torino/ranchero/montego 72-76. the cougar/elite 74-76. Now the 77-79 t-birds,cougars LTD II's all sat on the same chassis platform so a swap would be a direct bolt in operation. This is providing you take or collect all the right parts from one of the older modles. Also as good luck would have it the 72-76 big birds share the same engine bay cradle so those are the "EXACT SAME" mounts as the ones the midsize cars use. The 429 was offered 72-73 and the 460 74 -76. Hope this helps
The motor mounts do consist of three parts for each side. There is a right and a left. There is an upper metal, heat sheild and a lower rubber mount with the metal bracket that sits on the frame. The upper metal parts carry the following ford part #'s (D3LY-6030-A, D3LY-6031-A) the lower bracket (D4SZ-6038-A,D4SZ-6038B) The heat sheild part # was not avalible when I recived these numbers. But I have been using these mounts for over 20 years with no issues. Hope this will help Take care Dan
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Posted By: 72RogerGT
Date Posted: 06-October-2013 at 1:36PM
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Thanks, this is great info and I appreciate the clarification as well as the detailed explanation. I am on my way to check them out. Wish me good luck. Thanks, Roger. |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 06-October-2013 at 2:25PM
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Another source of mounts is a 77-78 Mark V with a 460, or mark IV 72-76. ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 06-October-2013 at 5:42PM
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I purchased a set of 460 motor mounts (factory style, used), and I am happy with the fit and the fit with the headers. I also have a set of the Crites, and the saddle seemed too large for the frame, but also can cause clearance issues with Hooker headers. I think if you use Crites headers you need to use their mounts also. I have no knowledge of their headers, but the mounts seemed otherwise good except it seemed too large for the frame saddle is all. ------------- Scott Eklund Webmaster |
Posted By: 72RogerGT
Date Posted: 06-October-2013 at 7:41PM
Yea ended up being 460 mounts from an LTD.  I am still in the look out for a 429/460 engine for a good price since I plan on beating the 351C that it currently has. Thanks for the replies and the info it is good to know the cars that can help our builds. |
Posted By: newmexguy
Date Posted: 07-October-2013 at 6:18AM
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Noticed a LOT of confusion regarding these mounts while shopping on ebay for motor mounts and and a rear trans mount pad for a 429 / 460 combo w/ C6 to put into a 74 ranchero. Local part stores had no listing, and all the ebay sellers were trying to peddle 69? - 78 LTD mounts as the same. THEY ARE NOT! Finally was able to source / order a set from a local auto parts store here in las Cruces by asking for 72 Torino big block (335 series) mounts which resulted in #2723 and #2724 - block to cradle mounts #2372 trans to crossmember Part numbers are Auto Extra, a division of Uni-Select, i would suspect Anchor #'s are the same. |
Posted By: Billy C
Date Posted: 09-October-2013 at 12:05PM
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I believe those are still the wrong motor mounts ------------- -Billy Conturo |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 09-October-2013 at 12:38PM
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335 mounts are only for 351M and 400. 429/460 mounts have 2 parts (3 if you count the heat shield). the insulator(rubber) half is still available, but the bracket half is a junkyard part. ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 09-October-2013 at 1:37PM
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The insulator part is still available? I would be interested to learn more. I got a good used set off eBay but would have supplemented them with new insulators if I knew they were out there. ------------- Scott Eklund Webmaster |
Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 09-October-2013 at 2:20PM
| [QUOTE=GranTorinoSport]The insulator part is still available? The insulators have not been availible for over 30 years. That is about how long ago it was when i started looking/and bought the first set of engine mounts. When I bought the parts for the second engine 20 years now no one has repopped them. You would just have to find a car that was not exposed to to much salty water. I have found that those are really not needed. Again I have had a set in one of the cars for 30 years now and no trouble. |
Posted By: Billy C
Date Posted: 09-October-2013 at 5:14PM
 that's what the 335 series mount looks like. it may have the same insulator part but I'm almost positive the block plate is different.  this is the factory 385 series to 72-78 framed mid sized cars Motor mounts are on my list of things to get done on the car. I want the motor in factory location or a hair lower if possible. I'd be willing to buy a used set for good $$ but I think figuring out a quick easy alternative would be much more beneficial to the community since this is such a big issue for people. Still toying with some ideas. Thinking about getting a set and modeling it on the computer and then going from there. Anything can be made from an accurate drawing. ------------- -Billy Conturo |
Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 09-October-2013 at 6:30PM
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The crites mounts are an option for some but I ordered a set and found out it just wasn't what I was looking for. They seem ok, but they don't play well with hooker headers and other issues. So I ordered a set from eBay that looked pretty good. It would be nice if there was another option. ------------- Scott Eklund Webmaster |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 10-October-2013 at 11:41AM
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About 3 years ago, a buddy and I put a 460 in his Mark V in place of the 400. we got salvage yard mounts and front brackets, etc. from a 460 Mark V. They burned the thru bolts out with a torch. We tracked down the part #s and the parts guy at the local ford dealer (Hot rod guy and all-around good ol' boy) found us insulators and an oil pan online at another dealer and had them shipped in. The 335 block plate is definitely different from a 385 block plate, because we looked at using the 400 mounts but I don't think we ever compared the insulators. At the time<I didn't know these parts were hard to find, or I would have gotten more> ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 10-October-2013 at 4:20PM
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Autozone lists the insulators as part #EM-2723 for the passenger side. Em 2724 for the driver side, @ $17.99 each. this part is made by westar, and the westar site has pictures of the part that look right. Also ebay has several NOS insulators and westar. Original ford part #s for the insulators are D4SZ6038A, D4SZ6038B, the part #s for the brackets are D3LY6031A and D3LY6030A. Sorry, just noticed Dan posted the same original part #s. ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: GranTorinoSport
Date Posted: 10-October-2013 at 6:01PM
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I'm not sure the 2723 and 2724 mounts fit Torinos. They work for Mark III which tells me they are that wide frame rail mount, not the smaller one like we need. I ran into this issue this spring. Seems anchor and others have Torino tabbed with the wrong mount size. The fix would be someone contacting tem, getting them to understand and then sending them a mount set to copy in Korea. ------------- Scott Eklund Webmaster |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 11-October-2013 at 2:47PM
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When looking at the Ford part #s, the brackets are a 1973 part number, and the insulators are a 1974 part number. Does anyone know the part numbers that would have been used in 1972? I am wondering if the bracket is the same part used in 1968? In 1968, ford used the same insulator for FE and 385 engines, and the engine brackets adapted the block to the insulators. in thunderbirds and torinos, those insulators have the holes that bolt to the brackets at the ends like insulators for our cars. The 1972-73 insulator, part number unknown, looks like D4SZ6038A/B, except it's pointy at both ends and doesn't have the square blob of rubber with a bolt hole thru it. The 1972-73 insulators and D4SZ6038A/B should interchange, as the insulators and brackets changed in different years. The 1968-71 385 bracket (Part # unknown) has insulator attachment points that appear to be the same as the D3LY6031/31 brackets. The 1968 385 insulator has bracket attachment points that appear to be the same as D4SZ6038A/B Long story short, I'm trying to put a 390 in my 1979 thunderbird. I know the 1968 thunderbird FE/385 insulator is the same. if the 1968 385 motor bracket carries thru to 1972, before being replaced in 1973 by a new part #that fits in the same spot, then i should be able to use 1968 FE brackets with D4SZ6038A/B to put a FE in my thunderbird. Also, 1971 mustang brackets have the insulator mounting holes in the same layout ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 13-October-2013 at 6:05AM
| The D3LY in the upper is a lincolin part and the D4SZ is a T-bird (big birds). Ford liked to eliminate part numbers for parts that where the same but had multiple part numbers issued to them. Your 72 would use the numbers we have listed. here even though they are 73 and 74. If you where to actually dig you could probably find an old listing with a 72 part number. But why bother? You have the right parts listed here. Take care Dan |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 13-October-2013 at 10:07AM
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First, sorry. I've hijacked this thread. I'm trying to track down part #s to cross-reference because I was trying to figure out putting a 390 in my thunderbird. If the superceded number for the bracket is the same as the 1968 bracket, then the 1968 bracket for a FE would bolt to the insulators and done! All things considered a 351W would be more practical, but sometimes the trip is more fun than the destination. Thanks for the help, I do appreciate it, this idea has gotten under my skin and even if I never do it I just want to figure it out. ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: VorbottenO
Date Posted: 19-October-2013 at 4:01PM
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Unless you are going for a concours resto, I would recommend the Crites for a couple of reasons... Have a through the block plate and saddle bolt limiting the torque travel of the engine ( and the BBFs do make torque) Availability is good New and not used 30 year old rubber I recently used them with Hooker Headers with no problem what so ever In my humble opinion ------------- Eric 72GTS-Ncode (429-477ci) |
Posted By: Billy C
Date Posted: 20-October-2013 at 9:02AM
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I also noticed Crites changed their header design. It used to be a two part thing that went under the frame but now looks more like the hookers. I wonder if the tubes are equal length. Maybe that also means they also changed their mount design. Maybe now it's worth a try. I think they are asking a fair price for them but I'd rather pay someone on here $130 for a set of oem mounts even with the old rubber. ------------- -Billy Conturo |
Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 20-October-2013 at 10:27AM
X2 ^^^^. I went with Hooker headers which were more than likely fabbed up using stock factory mounts. Any deviation in engine location from the factory placement whether up, down, backwards or forwards would change any number of clearances of the Hooker 6126's. I always heard the Crites mounts placed the engine in a different location relative to the stock mounts, not sure if they also changed the forward or backward location as well. I do agree, any additional options for a BBF installation, is almost always a plus for us. ------------- www.supermotors.net/22468 Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires. No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t. Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone. |
Billy C wrote:Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 19-April-2021 at 4:19PM
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Is the 460 oil pan different on a truck engine? Thinking about swapping out my 400 for a '68 460 and need to put a list together to determine if it is worth doing.
Nevermind. I found but don't like the answer. Haha
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Posted By: Billy C
Date Posted: 19-April-2021 at 4:46PM
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Wow, thread from 2013. Always fun reading back on some of the discussions we’ve had on here. 460 car vs truck oil pan and pickup setup is totally different. I’m not sure if anything has changed with the mount situation but that could be a deal breaker. As far as value performance analysis it’s a hard thing to figure out because it will all depend on what you can source for cheap and what you’re going for. It’s hard to compete with the potential for absolutely massive displacement that the big block brings to the table. I wish I could build my motor again with all the stuff I’ve learned in the past 10 years. 500hp ain’t what it used to be I guess. It’s still a riot to run that many liters to redline mowing through the gears. That will never get old. So, worth it? Yes. ------------- -Billy Conturo |
Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 19-April-2021 at 5:10PM
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Yeah, sorry about the necroposting. I have to look over the engine and inside with my borescope to see what kind of shape the internals are in. I have a 400 in my car with a C6 and the 460 is complete from alternator and all the brackets to the flex plate. It is a truck engine with headers. No exhaust manifolds anywhere so I would have to get: -mounts -headers -different starter (?) -pan, oil oump and pump drive shaft -rebuild carb. -pertronix to replace points if not already done -new fan belts and filters -kickdown rod -replace rear main seal while it is apart. -freeze plugs (just because) I am sure there's more. I will take a bunch of pics.
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Posted By: 72 RS 351
Date Posted: 19-April-2021 at 11:25PM
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You are too far away or I'd suggest I know of a couple of 429's a friend of mine has. He bought a couple from 70's Lincoln's ages ago, in the 90's I think it was. I don't think he has any odd 385 parts besides the engines, aside from a set of large race headers. ------------- Don 73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000 rpm 351 stroker 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 20-April-2021 at 2:30AM
| The more I think about it, it becomes less appealing. But that will most likely change when I am staring at it in the barn this Thursday. |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 20-April-2021 at 7:26AM
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Check that 68 460 over good. Some used a "special" bit of fun - a Power steering pump in the front cover driven off the crankshaft. Parts are NLA. Kickdown should be long enough with a little bending to fit if you can't find one. ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 20-April-2021 at 9:43AM
| I was wondering about the valves. Are they two piece time bombs? I will get lots of pics and casting numbers Thursday. I am taking my friend diwn to Chatham to grab a lawn tractor. If he gets seafood it is riding in the back with the tractor. |
Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 21-April-2021 at 11:41AM
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If you have it apart for a rebuild, change the valves. They may/might/will come apart at high RPMs and the valve head eats the piston and head. Might even bend the rod. Valve spring then sheds the stem. Next, Mr. Pushrod usually goes on vacation thru the valve cover, and the lifter bounces around the lifter valley looking for something expensive to ruin. ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: handsofstone
Date Posted: 21-April-2021 at 11:47AM
Yes sir. I figured that was the case. From past experience, the lifter typically stayed in the bore due to the brown ring that builds up over the years. I have seen push rods that dented the hood after slowing down on the way through the valve cover. If I do decide on the 460, are oil pans readily available?
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Posted By: Big Bird
Date Posted: 21-April-2021 at 11:50AM
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460 hasn't been used in a passenger car since 1978. Probably looking at used or aftermarket front sump oil pans. ------------- "What we do in full frontal view, is more honest than your cleaned-up mind." Randy 1979 T-Bird 2005 F-150 STX RCSB 4.6, 3.55 LSD How the Heck does a REGULAR CAB SHORTBED weigh over 5200 pounds? |
Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 21-April-2021 at 1:32PM
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Kevco is always worth a look https://kevkoracing.com" rel="nofollow - https://kevkoracing.com ------------- 72 GT Ute |
Posted By: Olin
Date Posted: 03-December-2024 at 10:01PM
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I have 460 out of a 69 lincoln mk3. Trying to install in a 72 gran torino wagon.. I have the motor mounts from the mk3 and have purchased several others online for 72 gran torino.. Can't get anything to match up to cradle bolt holes. Also seems to be an issue with pan clearance. Is there a tower or adapter plate available that would address fitment issues? Thanks |
Posted By: Olin
Date Posted: 03-December-2024 at 10:11PM
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I have a 69 lincoln 460 that I am trying to install in a 72 gran torino wagon. I have the lincoln motor mounts and have also purchased several different motor mounts online but can't get anything to match up to bolt holes on engine cradle. Also pan clearance seems to be an issue. Is there a tower or adapter plate available that addresses these issues. Thanks |
Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 03-December-2024 at 10:16PM
| Use engine mounts for a 72 76 ford Thunderbird with 460. That is what the factory used. It is a 3 piece assembly. Upper metal heat shield and lower rubber. I have used this on both my ranchero swaps for a 74 and 79. Bolts right up. |
Posted By: Rockatansky
Date Posted: 04-December-2024 at 2:20PM
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aren't they pretty much unobtainium Dan? ------------- 72 GT Ute |
Posted By: Olin
Date Posted: 04-December-2024 at 2:51PM
| Do you think that works with 69 lincoln 460 to 72 gran torino wagon |
Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 04-December-2024 at 6:47PM
| Are you asking if the 69 engine mounts would work? Not sure.or are you asking if the engine mounts from the t bird will work? That would be a yes. |
Posted By: Olin
Date Posted: 04-December-2024 at 9:52PM
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Yes. The question was will the tried mounts work with 69 motor in 72 gran torino. Didn't realize your first answer was new post. Apologies. Do you know the part number for 72-76 tbird mounts? Thanks, Olin.
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Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 05-December-2024 at 7:15AM
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Here are the part numbers for the engine mounts The D3 numbers are the engine side the D4 are the frame side. D4SZ-6038-A (LOWER) D4SZ-6038-B (LOWER) D3LY-6030-A (UPPER) D3LY-6031-A (UPPER) Here is a list of the cars you can pull these from if you want to go yard hopping. 72-76 Torino, Ranchero, Montego (includes wagons) with 429/460 74-76 Elite and Cougar with 460 72-76 Thunderbird and Lincoln marks with 460 (marks go to 78 with 460) |
Posted By: Olin
Date Posted: 05-December-2024 at 11:02AM
| Thank you. I really appreciate your help. Will post a photo when completed. |
Posted By: Dan the ranchero man
Date Posted: 05-December-2024 at 11:15AM
awesome! 
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Posted By: 72FordGTS
Date Posted: 05-December-2024 at 1:38PM
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Just to update this thread, Crites mounts are not longer available. He apparently passed away and the family is not continuing his business. So finding so NOS or used big block motor mounts is the only sources now as I don't believe they are produced in the aftermarket. ------------- Vince 1972 Ford GTS Sportsroof - Survivor, One Family car GTS.org Admin |
Posted By: TV 2M8O
Date Posted: 06-December-2024 at 2:26AM
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I have drawn up the heat shields from the factory '76 460 Torino motor mounts my car came with. I'll dig out the drawing and post should anyone want to make their own.... -------------  TV 2M8O OUT JOE 1976 Gran Torino S&H season 2-4 Clone Project Blog: http://tv2m8o.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Olin
Date Posted: 12-February-2025 at 8:10AM
| Still searching for upper and lower big block motor mounts for 72 torino wagon. 72-76 torino, ranchero, montego, 429 or 460. 74-76 elite, or cougar.72-76 tbird or 72-78 lincoln mark series. All 429 or 460 . Any help or a point in right direction would be appreciated. Been scouring ebay facebook and calling classic junk yards |
Posted By: aquartlow
Date Posted: 12-February-2025 at 9:52AM
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Another number for the insulators is D5OA-6038-AB(D4SA-6038-AA), not sure which side, had a pic on my phone. ------------- www.supermotors.net/22468 Yeah, It's a Hybrid...It burns gas and tires. No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t. Beauty is skin deep, ugliness goes clear to the bone. |
Posted By: Olin
Date Posted: 12-February-2025 at 12:23PM
| Thanks. I think I have all the correct part numbers and have found both sides uppers. The lowers are the problem |