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True, a real V8 engine is a lot for a lower end engine stand. I have a cheap one, my first I used in 1980 for my first 351C. But later I bought a HF large four leg type, with extra bracing it is rated to 1000lbs. It was under $100 back in the late 80s, and when HF was located just in CA.
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  #18 on your list... take POR 15 and walk over to the trash and toss it inWink i can see in your pic where you removed the sound deadener and it just peeled off! just blowing dust off of mike's frame... the por 15 just blew off Shocked the more i see where its been used to more im not impressed with itOuch
 i prefer the SEM rust shield... has UV inhibitors in it, can be brushed or sprayed, adheres much better, works great for a quick blackout for trunks and interior metal structure!
 actually i'd spray raptorliner on the floor pan... nice texture, and tough, and a nice moister barrier too, helps a little with heat barrier and sound deadening, not a lot but every little bit helpsWink
(word of advice... mask everything before you spray it even if its just sheets or blankets or plastic to cover the stuff to keep the overspray offWink)
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Originally posted by californiajohnny californiajohnny wrote:

  #18 on your list... take POR 15 and walk over to the trash and toss it inWink i can see in your pic where you removed the sound deadener and it just peeled off! just blowing dust off of mike's frame... the por 15 just blew off Shocked the more i see where its been used to more im not impressed with itOuch

CJ, the POR-15 was only compromised where the SUPER CLEAN had leaked out. What did however peel/blow off was the top coat of Eastwood Chassis Black where I didn't prep the POR-15 properly for the top coat.

I'm a firm believer in POR-15 after years ago I got a sample of it and painted a 11ga piece of steel on both side with a brush and then when it dried the stuff was glass smooth. Then to torture test it, I bent the piece back and forth until it broke along the bend line and THE POR-15 HAD NOT FLAKED OFF!! I was sold on that stuff ever since.

After blasting and cleaning the underside/chassis of my car, I painted it with two coats of POR-15 followed up with two coats of Eastwood Satin Chassis Black. When I get under the car in a few weeks to begin the reclean of the underside of the car, I'll see how well that application held up....

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Mixing different coatings, and brands, is as important as the various chemicals alone. I used the Eastwood Rust Encapsulator on 3/4 of the frame of my 99 Explorer, and a good bit of it let go without much help from chemicals, sun, or forces. I've used enough of that on 2-3 projects to think the POR 15 is better. I've only used POR 15 once, a friend's truck on a few parts like control arms and floor boards.

They are both easy to apply, but how to prepare each for coating over them is much different. I hope the POR 15 takes top coating better also than the Eastwood.

The one product Eastwood makes that I love in that genre is the Rust Dissolver. I used it long before, when it was called Oxysolv or something like that, I had a gallon. It is water thin, it applies easily by spraying or soaking, I loved that it seeps into seams, it wicks into any seam or crack, such as under the floor or rockers, getting into the seams where rust begins. It can be painted over after a couple of hours, and being wiped down like prep solvent for pre-paint prep.

I'm sure SEM is great too for what they make, I hope to learn more about all of them near future with my projects.
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Don, for the chassis components and undercarriage of the car, I sandblasted everything first, then cleaned with the POR-15 Metal Prep, shot the POR-15 black and then while it was still slightly tacky, top coated the POR-15 with the first (of three) coat of Eastwood Satin Chassis Black. THAT'S the secret for getting paint to stick to the POR-15 without having to scuff the cured paint for additional coats. Once POR-15 dries, NOTHING will adhere to it properly!

That's the problem I ran into on the interior sheetmetal of my build. I painted all the interior metalwork with POR-15 and then allowed it to dry because I hadn't planned on applying a top coat. After seeing how nice the underside and suspension pieces turned out, that's when I decided to apply a coat of Chassis Black.

I read where someone had shot the POR-15 with a wet coat of lacquer thinner to soften it and then apply the top coat. I had never used a paint gun in my life, so needless to say I was in over my head from the start! Well I shot a wet coat of thinner onto everything thing and had the black ready to go once I had that applied, but the air was set a bit too high on the line to the gun so the paint was atomized to the point that it was dry by the time it got to the car so it did not adhere properly. After seeing how "flat" the finish was and a bit of digging, I figured out my mistakes and applied a second coat of the Chassis Black.... well as they say you finish coat is only as good as your prep work, so needless to say it was doomed to failure!!

So now I will get the sheetmetal cleaned back up and then scuff it really well with ScotchBrite pads to not only get the remaining loose paint off but to also put a tooth to the POR-15 so my next attempt at top coating the interior metal will be a bit more successful!

LIVE AND LEARN Ouch

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Thanks for any of the knowledge you learned, it helps someone with their projects from reading it. I've learned just a tiny amount from being around body shops and helping friends with their painting. So yes I'm poised to make many of the same mistakes as others do, but I hope I remember enough to select the best products, the right steps etc.
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I worked on my Fairlane wagon this weekend so there was no Torino progress, but I did get the trunk cleaned up last weekend....


















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Well after a couple non-productive weekends tinkering with my wagon, FINALLY some Tomato progress.... got her back up in the air and the wheels off so I can get under her and clean up the underside and suspension.
















































 

So next weekend I will get started cleaning her up.... hopefully things will clean up as nicely as the top side did!!


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Well has been a very UNPRODUCTIVE two months for the Torino, but I did get my Fairlane wagon and my Fiero dusted off and driving again.

Attended a local cars & coffee event yesterday morning in the wagon before heading to the dealership to meet with another bodyshop about taking on the Tomato and getting her colors applied like I want. I met with another shop the previous Saturday, so once I get the numbers back from the second shop, I'll request a shop tour of both facilities and examples of their work to see which one I feel most comfortable turning the car over to.

FINGERS CROSSED!!

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Joe,

Keep at it, you can view the two months as a recharge.

Sounds promising with looking at new body shops.  Good idea to preview them first to see their work and how they operate.

Good luck,

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Made some headway the last couple weeks but not a lot to brag about....

Made a front fender template so I could locate the body side molding and GRAN TORINO emblems mounting holes on my driver's side fender.....























and also applied a coat of POR-15 and a initial coat of Eastwood Satin Chassis Black to the pass thru bracket I made so the rear seat arm rest access panel would open into the trunk like it did on the arm rest donor car....





Next plan of attack is to get under the car and start getting the underbody, chassis and suspension cleaned back up.

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Looking good Joe! I didn't realize you were keeping the side impact moldings on your Torino. Are you replicating the Seasons 2-4 S&H Torino?
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Mike,

Yep, as closely as possible, except mine is a bucket seat, floor shift, console car.... 460 automatic, 3:89 posi, hd suspension, quick ratio ps, pw, pdl, power driver's bucket, automatic seat back releases, rw defroster, dual chrome remote mirrors, dual 2 1/2" exhaust w/cutouts and a few custom touches... power antenna, custom upholstery with rear seat arm rest w/pass thru to trunk.

My front fender stripe point won't be as high up on the fender as the #1 Hero Torino shown below... plan on the lower edge to eyebrow about a half inch off the wheel lip molding before continuing straight to just above the side light marker on the body line and the white of the point ending at the edge of the headlight bucket.....



IF I live long enough to get her done and enjoy the fruits of my labor a bit!! Ouch


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Looking good Joe. Any steps forward are good steps!  That was cool method of making a template for the fender emblem holes.
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Keep going Joe, you are making progress.  You got this!
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Not a lot to show for October Tomato wise, but I have talked to a couple local shops and heard about a couple more this weekend that I'm going to reach out to this week and see if they might be interested in adding the colors to the ole girl..... and started cleaning up the undercarriage this past weekend.

FINGERS CROSSED Wacko

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I'm hoping for you too Joe. Finding a top body shop it tough for sure. I don't know of one here either, I was planning to contact one in KY that used to be respected a lot.

Now since so many years has passed, I'm planning to ask one of my route customers that I know does his own projects. He has a small two bay garage that he is almost finished with a 75 Corvette in, plus a speed boat; both look great. He's in his 60's but I don't know if he would take on any work for anyone.

So I wish you good luck, and myself later when I get that far.
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Altho I've not posted any Tomato progress reports for a while, I have gotten the undercarriage all cleaned up from the tail panel to the firewall. Need to do the underside of the chassis below the engine and then cleanup the front disc and rear brake components. Several areas I'm not able to get to so I'll have to wait and address them when I pull the engine and transmission again. Still need to cleanup the core support and the engine as best I can then start putting things back together to get ready for the journey to the next body shop.... hopefully right after the holidays!!!

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Well this past weekend I finished up the underside of the chassis forward of the firewall and the driver side chassis components (passenger side were done earlier). Next weekend I'll pull the stuff off the engine and get those and the engine cleaned up a bit, then I'll start on the core support and radiator.









I also had a bodyshop owner stop in the weekend before Thanksgiving and he looked her over very closely. He said he had no problem assembling the panels to set gaps and do the final blocking to insure everything is straight and level, spraying the car in white sealer, applying the black around the stripe area, using the templates to layout the stripe, apply the fine line tape for the pinstripe, then blowing the body apart to continue the stripe into the door jamb areas like I want and then apply the white and then the 2B red.

He said currently he was covered up but would love to take her on if he could work it into his schedule. He said he would prefer to do restorations over collision repair but the moneys in the crank 'em out panel replacements and spray jobs. I told him I'm well aware of that problem but would love for him to consider it and let me know something after the first of the year when I hope to have her ready for the next foray into a shop for final bodywork and paint.

MORE FINGER CROSSING!!


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Looks great Joe!  You're making progress.
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 sounds like the correct order to spray things! im the opposite... id rather do meaningful restos than hack collision work ive done a couple easy ones only to help out people but they were quick fill in jobs strictly for cash Wink
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A wee bit of progress on the Tomato this weekend.... pulled all the accessories off the front of the 460 so I could get it ready for a bit of cleaning and repainting several of the pieces that don't look as nice as they once did.







Hope to put in a bit of elbow grease next weekend but will have to wait and see because it's a holiday weekend.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL


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Keep at it Joe.  One question for you, did you paint your rotors?  If so, what did you use to paint them?
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Originally posted by 72FordGTS 72FordGTS wrote:

Keep at it Joe.  One question for you, did you paint your rotors?  If so, what did you use to paint them?

Vince, sorry for the long delay in responding....

Used POR-15 black caliper paint. Masked off the braking surface and then applied the POR-15.... 

BUT PULL THE TAPE OFF BEFORE THE PAINT CURES!!!

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Well I actually made a little bit of progress on the Tomato this weekend!

I got the front engine accessories and bracketry all cleaned up....











A few pieces are going to need a fresh coat of paint, but all in all they came out pretty nicely!

Next Saturday, I start tackling the engine.


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Mate that alternator looks better than new
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Well got the valve covers, carb and water pump pulled off the 460 so the valve covers and water pump could be repainted and the engine touched up......
 








I guess some progress is better than no progress! Wink Thumbs Up

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