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handsofstone ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13-April-2018 Location: Northeast Status: Offline Points: 3827 |
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Nevermind. I see the picrures.
I had the wiring diagrams for one of my broncos. Pain in the butt to read it. Edited by handsofstone - 15-May-2020 at 10:13AM |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Yes it took me a while to figure out what I was actually looking at. Now that I've gotten some help from a bunch of people I can at least study it and follow it and figure out what's what. |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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i don't think i have any sport harnesses left but i'll look tonight i saw one dash harness still on a dash that had a bad fuse terminal so i didn't sell it... i'll look at it to remember which car it came from?
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Thanks ! I appreciate all the effort ! |
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72FordGTS ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() GTS.org Admin Joined: 06-September-2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5442 |
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I found some a diagram that might be helpful for you: ![]() Also in the gauges thread there is some good info about converting from the standard cluster to the gauge cluster. The standard cluster does not have a tach, just a speedo, fuel, temp gauge and mostly warning lights. This is probably why your car didn't have the tach hooked up. I bet is was a standard cluster car and someone added the instrument cluster but did not connect the tach. This info might help you. The last two posts show the pins for the 74-76 standard cluster and the 74-76 instrument cluster.
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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i have that short sport harness!!!
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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YIPPIEEEEEEEE !!!!!! You are like the hero for the second time on this car man ! So you have the little one with the connector I am missing ? Or you have the other side of it that goes through the firewall ? Or BOTH ?!? |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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i have the whole one like in the above pic that goes through the firewall
i can look over the rest of the wiring and see if maybe there's a matching female connector that will work for your missing cluster one??? |
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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i have this one...
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Oh that is fantastic !! Yes if you could find that other matching connector that would be amazing !
Yes I think you still have my address from the other PMs. Just send me a PM with the $ and I'll send it over. Also : @72FordGTS -- that information you posted is so appreciated ! I think that I will be able to read through all of that ( very slowly ! ) and pick it apart piece by piece. That sounds like about 16 - 24 hours of sleuthing and reading and examining and testing ! Quite a valuable resource. Thank you so much as well !! |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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got it and a connector PM sent...
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Ok fellas -- Yes, I know it ( again ) has been a while -- but -- I can finally give some attention to this, which I have. I have examined the P.C. printed circuit ('74 Sport - there's a picture on page 1 of this thread ). I have also examined the wired pin connector on the car, which is believed to be original to the '76 S&H, and compared it to both the existing wiring schematic that I have, and the post above, which I've quoted. It took me a little time to map out everything, but I think I have it fairly understood with a few exceptions. I'm not sure how best to do this, so I will describe each pin "position" with respect to what is, what was, what is to be, and what should never be :) I should note that the '74 Sport Gauge Cluster I have has 5 illumination lights, 1 (one) brake light positioned at the center top of the tachometer, 1 (one) high beam light positioned at the center bottom of the tachometer, 1 (one) each left and right turn signal indicators positioned on either side of the high beam indicator, 1 (one) Fasten Seat Belts light, and 1 "Low Fuel Economy" light. ( The previous post, nor other posts, say nothing about this "Low Fuel Economy" light indicator, so I'm not sure on this one. Nonetheless, the dash cover I have clearly has a green "Low Fuel Economy" light above the red "Fasten Seat Belts" light. There is also not an "alternator light socket" on my cluster ? The previous post says that pins 10 / 11 both go to the alternator light socket. I don't have one of those lights, and you will read below about positions 10 and 11 and my confusion about what to do with them. '74 Sport Gauge Cluster - hereafter '74 SGC '76 Wiring Schematic / Car - hereafter '76 WS POSITION 1 '74 SGC - positive(+) side of brake light '76 WS - Circuit 640 - Red w/ Yellow Hash - seems to have an end at a "Low Vacuum Warning Indicator Lamp" and then also goes through the firewall blocks to the "Carburetor Throttle Emission Control Solenoid" and also to the "Distributor Modulator Valve". Additionally, inside the car, that circuit 640 is connected directly to the "Protection & Convenience, Seat Belt Warning Buzzer", and also ends at F-11 (fuse I think). ( the other side of the fuse is part of the coil + ) Analysis : The wire from position 14 needs to be here instead. POSITION 2 '74 SGC - negative (-) side of Temperature Gauge '76 WS - Circuit 450 - Dark Green with Light Green Stripe - seems to be labeled as connected to the Seat Belt Warning Indicator Lamp on the P.C. and the Seat Belt Warning Indicator Switch. (Is this the positive side for the Fasten Seat Belts light? ) Analysis : Move this wire to position 13, and move the wire from position 12 (negative temp gauge wire) to this spot. POSITION 3 '74 SGC - positive (+) of the dash illumination lights '76 WS - Circuit 19 - Blue with Red Stripe - positive (+) from fuse Analysis - no changes needed POSITION 4 '74 SGC - negative (-) of dash illumination, high beam indicator light, and turn signal indicator lights '76 WS - Circuit 57 - Black - negative (-) connected to a lot of other negative wires and ground. Analysis - no changes needed POSITION 5 '74 SGC - positive (+) of the Right Signal Indicator '76 WS - Circuit 2 - White w/ Blue Stripe - Right Turn Signal positive (+) Analysis - no changes needed POSITION 6 '74 SGC - positive (+) of the Left Signal Indicator '76 WS - Circuit 3 - Light Green w/ White Stripe - Left Turn Signal positive (+) Analysis - no changes needed POSITION 7 '74 SGC - positive (+) of the High Beam on Indicator '76 WS - Circuit 12 - Light Green w/ Black Stripe - High Beam positive(+) Analysis - no changes needed POSITION 8 '74 SGC - Seems to be the common POSITIVE (+) to the gauges ( Fuel, Oil Pressure, Temperature ) '76 WS - Circuit 297 ( There is also the number 48 there ? I can provide pic if desired ) - Black w/ Blue Stripe is what is actually in the car. The schematic says it should be a Black w / Light Green Hash ?? - but it seems to be part of the circuit which comes from the key switch, and is off when the key is in the "start" position, and on when the key is in any of the other positions ( except "Off") Analysis - no changes needed POSITION 9 '74 SGC - negative(-) side of the Fuel Gauge '76 WS - Circuit 29 - Yellow w/ White Stripe - Fuel circuit Analysis - no changes needed POSITION 10 '74 SGC - negative (-) side of the Oil Pressure Gauge '76 WS - Circuit 904 - Green w/ Red Stripe - This circuit seems to carry the voltage to the regulator, and originally went to the coil then also? It is connected to the (Green w/ Red Hash ?) wire from position 11. Analysis - The wire from position 13 (White w/ Red Stripe) needs to be moved here, but I'm not sure where this wire should be moved to. POSITION 11 '74 SGC - There is NOTHING here - not even a copper tab on the P.C. '76 WS - Circuits 904 AND 687. Circuit 687 is a Grey w/ Yellow Stripe wire which goes to the ignition switch. Circuit 904 ends up connected to the wire from position 10, so again this is confusing as to what I should do with it. Analysis - I have no idea what to do here ? POSITION 12 '74 SGC - positive(+) side of the "Low Fuel Economy" light - but NOTE the picture : there is a BREAK in the printed circuit ?? WHY ?? '76 WS - Circuit 39 - Red w/ White Stripe - negative (-) to the Temperature sending unit. Analysis - move the Red w/ White Stripe to position 2 to match the printed circuits / cluster. Not sure what wire to move here ? POSITION 13 '74 SGC - positive(+) side of the Fasten Seat Belts light '76 WS - Circuit 31 - White w/ Red Stripe - negative (-) to the Oil Pressure Sending unit. Analysis - move the White w/ Red Stripe to position 10 to match the printed circuits / cluster. The Dark Green w/ Light Green stripe wire from position 2 moves here POSITION 14 '74 SGC - seems to be the common (-) negative for the lights for the Brake light, the Low Fuel Economy light, and the Fasten Seat Belts light. '76 WS - Circuit 977 - Purple w/ White Stripe - positive(+) side of the brake light Analysis: Move the wire to position 1. I'm not sure if I should swap this with the wire from position 1 though, but I think I should. In summary, I think that Wires 1 and 14 can be swapped. Wire 2 moves to position 13 Wires 3-9 are correct and can stay. Wire 10 gets moved to ?? Wire 11 gets moved to ?? Wire 12 moves to position 2 Wire 13 moves to position 10. Wire 14 (again) is swapped with 1. I really appreciate anyone who reads this and offers advice or corrections. I will supply any pictures or further descriptions that are requested. PS. as far as the Tachometer, rather than punch a hole through the firewall, or chop the end off of the harness that California Johnny sent, I will find a plug that I will simply connect to that end, and then run the tachometer wires through the existing firewall blocks ( C-401 or C-402 ) in holes / positions which are unused. I will also hook up the ammeter wires in similar fashion. Those items, and the clock tap are separate from the rest of the instrument cluster which I'm discussing above. Edited by squarethumps - 28-November-2020 at 5:20AM |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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not sure on the fuel light and belts light far as i know they were separate wire to the bezel not in the cluster main plug to the circuit board? i swapped 74 sport to 74 std harness ... i recall swapping positions of 3 wires in the main connector plug gas, oil, and water i think? it was like 7 years ago... what i did was trace down each circuit along the PC to the connector and labeled it with a letter with a sharpie or make notes on paper , but if you dont have both clusters to compare it would make it more difficult
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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yes that's right .. I did the same thing with my P.C. by tracing the connections and using your advice that the gauges share a common positive, while all the lights share a common negative, this makes a lot of sense.
It was those two wires ( 3 really ) the green with the red stripe and the grey with the yellow stripe that are the confusing ones. I've moved those to the spots where there are basically no connections to the P.C. ( no loop either ) I'm not sure if this is 100% correct as we will see. Soooooooo .... I made those changes as follows : wire 1 swapped with wire 14 wire 2 moved to position 13 wire 3 - 9 no changes wire 10 moved to position 11 ( the dead spot ) wire 11 moved to position 12 ( basically another dead spot ) wire 12 moved to position 2 wire 13 moved to position 10 wire 14 (as above) swapped with wire 1. I plugged it in aaaaannnd !!!! weeeell .. I decided to test the cluster illumination lights first ( the headlight switch already works to turn on the illumination lights behind the climate control, and the dome light works from that switch too ) it looks like ONE of the cluster illumination lights is working .. the one that is over by the ammeter. soooo ... ( sorry .. I started investigating ) ... So I had bought and installed new LED backlights .... turns out that these lights only work ONE way, even though they fit both ways ( like . 180 degrees out ) .. so ... so far I've found one defective LED light, and 3 of the sockets are working !! So I'm going to keep playing and testing things and I'll provide an update soon . I also tested the Oil Pressure gauge by just grounding the wire in the engine bay directly to the engine block / ground, and the oil gauge went up to just below 90, which I imagine might be just about as far as that old gauge can go. I'm calling it a success and working ! I tested the temperature gauge ... it's not working, at least when I ground the wire at the same connector in the engine bay as the oil pressure wire ( the oil pressure, coil wire, and temperature wire all travel through the same connector in the engine bay ) so I will test this by grounding out the terminal wire directly behind the cluster 14 pin connector wire in position 2 and see if the gauge moves. so ... there has been some success and I'll keep updating |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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yes led's are one way, just 180 the sockets, also you may need to bend up the little tabs in them so they make snug contact with the pc
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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Steve M. ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 08-June-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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Here is what I discovered doing the standard to sport cluster change. I've done it to all 5 of my Gran Torino's.
The '72 and '73 were by far the easiest. No changes needed to the main connector. The '75 to '74 required the oil and temperature gauge locations switched in the cluster. The early model '76 went just like the '75. This latest '76 is all by itself. Looks like your at the same point I was at. My temperature gauge circuit was open until I got it right. My gauge was bad too. It was a bit unnerving at first. The good news is all of the colour codes from '74-'76 haven't changed.
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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This is EXACTLY what the issue was on a few of the LEDs. They were 180 out of position and a few of the little wires did bend out and were not making contact. Results : ALL the illumination lights work !! ![]() |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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so .. since the illumination lights are working I started testing the gauges.
I suppose I should also note that when I turn on the key I don't get the buzzer, and none of the other lights light up ( fasten seat belts I would expect ) so that will need to be sorted. The oil pressure gauge works perfectly. I grounded out the wire all the way at the end where it actually connects to the sending unit and the gauge spiked up. 1 down ..a bunch to go ! The temperature gauge itself works but something is up. I ran a negative from the battery directly to negative side of the gauge post, and it works. Then I tested it on the back of the connector by jamming the ground wire directly into the #2 position wire ( which is now the White with Red stripe wire ), and again the gauge moves. This tells me the problem is not in the cluster or gauge, but in the White w/ Red stripe wire somewhere between the cluster and that terminal end in the engine bay. (Is there a fuse ? ) In any case, at least the gauge and cluster P.C. works. Coincidental that you had an open circuit there too Steve M. I will investigate and see what I can figure out. I will probably test the fuel gauge next. |
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Steve M. ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 08-June-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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I found this.
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Steve M. ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 08-June-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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I used this to get the wires to double check how I was going to get my wires to the correct gauges. Interesting enough, my car doesn't have the microswitch for the e-brake. The connector is there should I wish to install it
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Steve M. ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 08-June-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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Like the steering wheel. I used one from a Mustang ll Stallion package.
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Steve M. ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 08-June-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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Love the LEDs!
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14512 |
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could be the little voltage regulator on the pc??? mine didn't read right or something so i ended up using the one from my std cluster, it had to be mounted opposite to bolt on
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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Steve M. ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 08-June-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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Hey John,
Is there anything you haven't done on one of these yet?
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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This is a very helpful diagram, thank you. |
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Steve M. ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 08-June-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 1651 |
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I'm digging through a folder of old papers on my car to find this stuff. The idea of doing another one is in the back of my mind.
On my '73, we cut the rusted roof off and installed one from a '78 T-bird with T-tops. There was a lot of beers on that one.
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Hi John, I'm not sure what you mean here ? I think mine is ok, because when I put a direct negative wire into the position #2 which is the negative side of the temperature gauge, the gauge goes right up to maximum, which is what I would expect. |
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squarethumps ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 30-August-2015 Location: Hunker Pa Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Oh WOW T-TOPS on a torino !! that would be cool !! got pics ? |
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That sounds like a cool deal. Way back when I dreamt of adding a sunroof from a Honda Civic(the tiny hatch back in 1989), for my Ranchero. I like fun ideas.
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73 Ranchero "Sport 72 front end", floor shift/console, planning EFI 7000+ rpm 351-4V &4R70W 73 Ranchero GT 351C-4V &4R70W for sale later. 92 Lincoln Mark VII SE GTC, OBDII 347/4R70W |
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i don't remember what the issue was but i swapped the regulators and it worked better? i think it's more for the fuel gauge than anything?
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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