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Gold73 ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 02-July-2018 Location: Kansas Status: Offline Points: 79 |
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Will the roof skin on a 73 formal roof work on a 72 fastback?
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normand ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 25-February-2008 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 203 |
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You will need to find a 72 or 73 fastback roof skin to be a donor for a 72 fastback. The doors between a formal roof and fastback are the same, but front windows are slightly different because of a different roof line. I'm sure others have more background on the topic.
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72FordGTS ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() GTS.org Admin Joined: 06-September-2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5322 |
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Normand is correct, you need a fastback roof for a fastback car.
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Vince
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normand ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 25-February-2008 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 203 |
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This is mine from years ago with the roof skin removed. A great deal of work drilling out all the spot welds on both the donor and your car. Then welding back all the spot welds. All worth it!
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72FordGTS ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() GTS.org Admin Joined: 06-September-2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5322 |
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Normand, what did you use to fill the seam at the C-pillar once the roof was back on? I know the factory used lead, did you use a modern alternative?
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Vince
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normand ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 25-February-2008 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 203 |
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I can confirm mine was lead filled in this picture and we melted out. Back on my earlier 72 Sportsroof I purchased in 1978 you could see an intended line there at the seam under the vinyl. The donor roof skin for my current car was a non vinyl roof car and was filled with body filler, not lead. Could have been placed there years after the factory. Somebody told me the vinyl roof cars were leaded and the non vinyl cars were filled with body filler.
To answer your question we used body filler and didn't try to lead it. Not quite original looking because you don't see that line under the vinyl. I guess the lead will have a slight shrink to create that line. For me going back to vinyl was an easy decision, I prefer the color contrast between the 2B bright red and black vinyl.
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14477 |
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far as i can tell hard tops were lead vinyl was filler
i've talked to a couple high end shops they just use duraglass filler i used panel bond and duraglass over that on my mustang...we'll see how that works out... |
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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hogfiddles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19-September-2016 Location: Central NY Status: Offline Points: 1310 |
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Post deleted.... I read a previous post wrong. Carry on :)
Edited by hogfiddles - 07-May-2020 at 2:31AM |
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1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code “Q-Clone” project-on-hold
1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project 1972 Gran Torino - parts 1969 Torino GT - M code 95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies) |
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72FordGTS ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() GTS.org Admin Joined: 06-September-2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5322 |
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My car is not vinyl roof car and it has lead filler. The original paint flaked off on the lead filler and exposed it before it was repainted in 1996. The body shop did nothing to treat the lead at that time of the repaint. Now many years later the paint over the lead filler is failing again. So when I do get my car painted, I think I need to have the lead filler removed and filled with something else.
I was just curious what other's were using to fill this panel as I obviously would want a product that wouldn't cause issues as it aged. John or anyone else have any ideas why the lead filler on my car caused paint issues?
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Vince
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hogfiddles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19-September-2016 Location: Central NY Status: Offline Points: 1310 |
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lead paint?? Lol
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1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code “Q-Clone” project-on-hold
1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project 1972 Gran Torino - parts 1969 Torino GT - M code 95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies) |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14477 |
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IDK? maybe the lead wasn't clean? had an oxidized layer on the surface? not primed with good epoxy primer? shouldn't have been an issue!
i always sand mine down with 80 grit as you'll find high and low spots if its all cleaned and sanded you can put filler over it to block it out smooth ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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JOHN
74 GRAN TORINO S&H CLONE 74 VETTE CUSTOM 90 S10 BLAZER 4X4 LIFTED 77 CELICA CUSTOM 75 V8 MONZA SUPERCHARGED 79 COURIER VERT. SLAMMED 75 VEGA V6 5 SPD 70 CHEV C10 P/U 68 MUSTANG FB CONVERSION |
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hogfiddles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19-September-2016 Location: Central NY Status: Offline Points: 1310 |
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fwiw, my sportsroof was a painted roof and had plastic filler
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1973 Gran Torino Sport - Q code “Q-Clone” project-on-hold
1972 Gran Torino Sport - Q code new project 1972 Gran Torino - parts 1969 Torino GT - M code 95+/- mid-80's Yamaha XJ-Series (10 trophies) |
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Rockatansky ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 30-July-2010 Location: On The Road Status: Offline Points: 5799 |
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assy plant may have something to do with whether it's lead or flubber?
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72 GT Ute
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72FordGTS ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() GTS.org Admin Joined: 06-September-2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 5322 |
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Yeah, I think there is something up with this lead, as it did it on the original factory paint job too. I have no idea what the body shop did to prep it. Not sure if they used an epoxy primer over it (I am assuming that would seal it up and prevent other problems??), as this was done back in 1996 and it was just a respray. I read a lot of stuff online about the lead filler causing paint adhesion problems as it ages. So I am not sure what to do when it comes time to fix it. Remove the lead and replace it with a modern filler, or just try and seal it up with a good epoxy primer?
Yeah, I agree there seems to be some variation and I bet it is by plant. I don't think the vinyl roof/plain roof made a difference in how the joint was filled. Before this thread, I always thought all they were all lead filler from the factory. |
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Vince
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gregaba ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 02-December-2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 108 |
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Hi I have used Alvin all metal for years. Once it sets up it does not shrink and can be thinned enough to use with a primer gun for small fills. Works just like metal and so far has never give me a problem if you follow the directions. Greg.
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I have lead joints on My '79 Tbird. A-pillars have "popped" and i was looking at them about a week before i got sick
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Eliteman76 ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 20-March-2006 Location: Nebraska, USA Status: Offline Points: 4853 |
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As others have stated, no they will not fulling interchange. Now, if you were needing to just repair the front area around the windshield, yes you can use the front section of the roof. Rear area however is different. Inner structure is different.
Fun fact: Formal roof cars and Sportsroof {fastback} cars use different door glass as well.
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