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    Posted: 18-September-2017 at 6:53AM
I cannot understand how I can remove the coupling without removing the steering column!(?)

From reading several posts here and reading the 1972 Chassis manual, I still can't figure it out!

I don't think there will be room to drill out the rivets in the old coupling to replace them with bolts for the new Lares coupling. The two pictures below are from my donor car.



So....If I could unbolt the u-joint from the steering column I could do it on the work bench...took the nut off but this thing won't come apart!(?)

 

What should I try next?

I have the whole new steering assembly ready to go in but first I need to solve this puzzle!
Thanks for reading!


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remove the crossbolt from the clamp, it retains the clamp onto the shaft by intersecting a groove
 
now the clamp is free to slide off the splined shaft
 
also, remove the bolts & nuts from the rag joint and the flex component should be able to be removed, might take a little prying to get it loose from the studs/guide pins
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It's splined shaft with a groove for the cross bolt. Got it! Thank you. I'll try this asap!
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Steering column shaft isn't really splined(more like asymmetrical-so the intermediate shaft only goes on one way), but does have a groove where the bolt resides(the one in the pic with the nut removed). I would suggest putting the nut back on about 3-4 threads then tapping with a hammer to dislodge bolt from steering shaft, "should" slide off column shaft with a little force after removing the bolt of course. If not, clamp the intermediate shaft with a pair of vice grips and tap/smack them toward the firewall opening. Hope this helps.

Edited by aquartlow - 18-September-2017 at 8:07AM
www.supermotors.net/22468
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Thanks guys, your inputs got me over the finish line.

The entire lower tubular steering shaft came right out in one piece. The bolt on secondary shaft is a fail-safe design and a bit confusing at first.

 

here is a picture of the end of the tubular shaft and how it can only go in one way. 



And the slot on the tubular shaft for the bolt.......

 

Thanks again, and perhaps all this helps someone else too......
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Thanks to fordismyboss for posting this back in 2017.  It helped me in 2022.  One thing to add is that the cross bolt is not designed to be removed completely, at least not on my 1974 Ranchero.  It only needs to be moved back far enough that the end of the bolt is flush with the bracket and the bracket will slide off the tubular shaft with some light taps.
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Great threadThumbs Up Then My 76 Gran Torino Station wagon needs a new coupler. Got the new Lares coupler from rockauto today and will soon start to replace it. What I havent decided 100% yet is if I will try to do the jobb from above, or if the car has to be jacked up in the front, and take it from down under. Opinions?
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All work is done under the dash and from above.
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Which one fits my 72 GTS? Ant idea? Should I pull the one on the car first to check?


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It depends on the steering box you have in your car. The 202 is for the Ford box and the 201 Saginaw box.
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Ah, ok, Vince, thanks. I'll see if I can determine which I have.
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FWIW, identifying the steering gear is fairly easy. If looking from the top, where the sector shaft's "cap" is located, the Ford steering gear has two hex headed bolts and a Saginaw gear sector shaft's "cap" is aluminum with 4-9/16" hex headed bolts holding it in place. This may help:
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Ford steering gear ^
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Appreciate that. My 72 Torino has too much play in the steering, normal for an old car. I'm going to take it to my mechanic and check the play in the tie rods, check the rag joint, and steering box. I'm going to predict it needs a new box.

 Any recommendations? I've seen videos for Redhead


The vehicle selector asks

How many steering wheel turns does the vehicle have?: 3 - 3.5 or 4 - 4.5


 So, I'll go out and count before I order, what does your 72 Torino have?


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Find one that has four bolts on the cover. See the cover in your picture, that one has two bolts, it's a plain Ford box. Read the other threads, there are a few applications that have the much better Saginaw steering boxes. The four bolt cover is easy to spot, and came in various makes and models, as stock units. The later Jeeps were the latest common application, I forget which model and years. I'd hunt those with Rock Auto or a local source.
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Well, I'll see if I can find a Saginaw version, is there anything else that has to change to make it work? Probably need the Saginaw rag joint, I imagine. Will my Pittman arm swap onto a Saginaw?


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I put one in my first 73, but I don't recall having to change anything. Check with the steering threads about it, some people did have to change a couple of items. I'll probably sell this one if the my truck's steering box is okay, or else I'll swap it into that depending on how different they are.
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The stock Ford steering box is 4 turns lock to lock, but when installed in the car it is actually less. It will hit the steering stops first making it more like 3.7 turns lock to lock. 

A saginaw swap is pretty straight forward. You will need a saginaw rag joint but will also need to modify the stock lower steering shaft to connect the new rag joint to it. This will involve drilling out the rivets. You will also need a new high pressure power steering hose, but you can order that from any parts store. Just make sure you get the hose for a saginaw pump.
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Thanks, Vince. I'll do some research to see what part number the Saginaw pump is, for the 72 Torino.
This ?  
https://a-premium.com/product/Power-Steering-Gear-Box-for-1972-1976-Ford-Torino-fuSp490XVh

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In what ways does the Saginaw improve steering over the Ford gear?


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Borgeson 800128…Delphi 600 modern box…straight bolt in Saginaw…14:1 ratio 3.5 turns lock to lock…easiest install out of anything I’ve put in…made to be an upgrade for 71-73 mustang
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Works with stock pitman arm
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Originally posted by Neal Neal wrote:

Thanks, Vince. I'll do some research to see what part number the Saginaw pump is, for the 72 Torino.
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In what ways does the Saginaw improve steering over the Ford gear?

You don't want a stock Ford Torino Saginaw box, it will have the same slow ratio as the standard Ford box.  What you want is a quick ratio Saginaw box, but you also must make sure it has the 3 hole mounting.  Mustang offered a quick ratio Saginaw box in the 1971-73 Mustang and many guys will swap those in place.  The 1990s Jeep Gran Cherokees also have a quick ratio 12.7:1 Saginaw box that works on Fords, although I believe it needs to be modified somewhat (do a search on the forum).

The easiest way though is to just order a new Saginaw box with a fast ratio.  I had mine custom built to 12.7:1 ratio with high effort steering.  It's a massive improvement over the stock box.  Lares does offer some off the shelf fast ratio boxes:


Or you can go with the Borgeson box like Compton mentions too.  It is a bit slower than what I installed, but it would still be a massive improvement over the stock 17:1 (approx) box that come on these cars.

Also, there is no need to change the PS pump.  The Thompson pump works fine, you just need to change the PS hose, which is available off the shelf. And like Compton also says, the pitman arm is the same. Let me know if you have any other questions.

This thread has some info on installing the rag joint:



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You guys are a massive help. I've been reading through 10yr old threads, links dead, and this summary is really helpful.


And the 201 rag joint, with some mods.


The Thompson pump works fine, you just need to change the PS hose, which is available off the shelf.

I'll start looking to see if I can find that hose, thanks.


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