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    Posted: 25-April-2010 at 1:16AM

Okay, so my master cylinder install went well, and clean fluid is now flowin' through the lines! Unfortunately, I still haven't had the chance to see if my brakes work because I'm installing new front swaybar bushings and have had major difficulty finding the ones that mount to the frame. Canadian Tire says they're discontinued; NAPA only has "universal" ones that have to be cut open for the 1 1/8 sway bar, and that's just ghetto. I finally have a set from Car Quest coming in that sound like they'll be correct.

And yes, I can find them on-line, but the shipping is nuts for $4 parts.
 
Anyway, while my car is still up in the air, I have a question about the end links: I have my new end links loosely installed, but since they are on the lower A-arms that will move up and down with the springs, at what wheel position should they be tightened up, or does it matter? The car is jacked on the frame, so the A-arms are in "full sag" position, and the end links really don't seem to want to fit very well (close, but not perfect). Should I jack the arms to a more normal ride height condition before tightening the end links?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-April-2010 at 4:24PM

Whenever doing your suspension components, they should be tightned in the "Loaded" ride hight position

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-April-2010 at 4:52PM
Can I suggest just upgrading to polyurethane at this time? Cost is roughly the same vs OEM rubber. 
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Okay, my new bushings came in, and they're much nicer: a stiffer material and nicer moulding and, most importantly, a larger hole for my sway bar! However, I'm still concerned that the hole is too small: the bushing will fit around the bar, but not fully; there's still a 0.5"-0.75" gap between the "C" parts of each bushing. Is that normal? Will that compress down when I put the bracket around it and tighten it down to the frame, or will trying to do that just damage my bracket?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 3:07AM
What bushing did you order, (Part#) out of curiousity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 3:12AM
I'm not sure, I don't have it on me now. It is a Moog part, and its shape looks identical to what's left of the old ones (the old ones are pretty deformed, but I can make out similar features).
 
I tried installing them last night, and lifted the car off its jackstands under the force I was applying to try and compress the bushing against the frame/sway bar! I can't believe that it is supposed to be that tough?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 3:14AM
There are three different sized bushings for the three different sway bars. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 3:16AM
I ordered the largest one they had, 1 1/8". How undersize is the hole supposed to be on a new bushing, if at all?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 3:24AM

Looks like Moog shows 4 universal bushings.

Make sure you ordered the K80094 bushing. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 3:52AM

Alright, I'll check that when I get home, thanks!

If it is the right part, can I cut it down a bit to fit, or is it supposed to be that tough to install to hold the bar steady?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 5:10AM
If the metal bracket seats against the frame, You should be fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 5:23AM
Yeah, it's nowhere close, even after 2 tons' worth of compressing force. I might have to play barber and take a little off the top :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 10:14AM
Originally posted by Psquare75 Psquare75 wrote:

Looks like Moog shows 4 universal bushings.

Make sure you ordered the K80094 bushing. 

 
 
My bushing P/N is K5253. They look a lot like the  AC Delco 45G0503, which again look like they're too small of hole and too thick in overall height. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2010 at 8:57PM
Wow. I just looked those up on Rockauto.com. That appears WAY too tall. Rockauto doesn't list that bushing for our cars at all.... In short, wrong one. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2010 at 12:28AM
The Delco ones are the same height (roughly), and they're shown for the Cougars...
 
Anyhow, after 2 sets of bushings being wrong, I went ahead and made the Moog units fit. I ground out the bore with my Dremel, took only a little off the top as well, and then compressed them under bolt force. They'll be plenty rigid now LOL!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2010 at 11:49AM

I have energy suspensions and they fit like they belong. As long as you're set now.

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