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i think your issue with the hose is the calipers are different!!! note the hose where it mounts, and the 2 dimples cast into the back of the caliper....mine arent like that! mine are new for a 79 lincoln mark V as the hoses have the curved metal part too (i have aftermarket braided hoses) but the OEM hoses were the same shape!
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Dmarc28 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-March-2018 Location: Garden Grove Status: Offline Points: 108 |
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Ok, so this morning tightened everything up. Tried what everyone had suggested, about the caliper bracket being in the wrong sides. Flipped them but still needed the spacers. Not sure why, but I do.
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Big Bird ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194 |
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Calipers are in the right place/orientation.
Your caliper mounting brackets are upside down. The "Key" and retainer bolt are on top. They should be on the bottom. I don't know if you can just flip them or you also have to swap them side to side. Your caliper brackets attach to the bearing retainers. They may have to be swapped side to side as well. I do know that they are not right and unsafe with those spacers. Spacers should not be needed. Something is not right. Please be careful...
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Hey everybody, here's an update.
You all bring up very very good points. When I got the rearend, yes, it was all in peices and missmatched at that. So I had to do alit if digging and research to find any parts that I was going to still need to make it happen. With that being said. I too am not fond of the spacers. I am merely using them as place holders until I can either find a solid spacer or now that I have the measurements get some made. Eventually it will be changed. As far as the caliper brackets go I tried a few different combos before I bolted everything together. I even took a look back at the pictures that Californiajohnny shared. I tried to match my caliper position to the picture. The hose that feeds the caliper with fluid would hit the shock mount bracket not allowing the caliper to sit correctly, thus the spacers. Eventually I plan on Getting custom retainer/caliper bracket made, but that's a long way off. Right I want to jus get it in the car. So that's what I'll be doing today getting the old rearend removed and then new one put in. pictures to come. ![]() ![]() ![]() And at 8:50pm we are in. Tomorrow tighten it up and figure out the e-brake n some other stuff. ![]() Edited by Dmarc28 - 12-July-2021 at 4:48PM |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469 |
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yes that's what i'm thinking ... they are on the wrong sides?
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Big Bird ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194 |
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Dmark28 seems to be using Mark IV or V parts. That's what Johnny has. Unfortunately, Dmark28 got them as a pile of parts. So, the issue is sorting the parts and assembling them in the correct order without seeing them assembled properly.
From pictures, his calipers are hitting the shock and upper control arm brackets and needed to be shimmed. They appear to be out of place, not concentric with the rotor. Johnny's pictures show the caliper retainer (and bolt for it) the the bottom of the caliper. Dmark28's are on top. That tells me the caliper mount bracket is upside down. Caliper mount bracket bolts to the bearing/axle retainer. I don't know if they are symmetrical, or different from side to side. Either way, this mislocates the caliper. In his original pic, the calipers are forward of the axle instead of behind it. This appears to be corrected, but the shims are a new symptom.
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Ok I am confused my 90 markV11 has 10.8 rotors my 79 ltd2 has 11 3/4 according to auto zone. 89 crown vic has 11.
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look at the radius of the caliper in relation to the inside of the wheel, flip it and it looks like it would match better
and YES measure that washer stack and cut some spacers out of some good hard material, you might even find something usable in the drawers at the hardware store ![]() |
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Big Bird ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25-August-2013 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 4194 |
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The caliper mounting brackets are on the wrong sides, I don't know if the bearing retainers are on the wrong side as well, can't tell from the pictures, and don't know if they are the same for both sides.
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I sure don’t like that stack of washers..... I don’t care how tight you bolt something— those could shift
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He moved them to the rear in the later shimmed pictures.
Something's not right though. Any chance the caliper brackets are on the wrong sides? driver/passenger? That would turn them upside down and affect mounting/clearance. Your caliper retainers are up on top. Johnny's are at the bottom. ![]() Edited by Big Bird - 10-July-2021 at 2:38AM |
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469 |
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here's a pic of the passenger side...
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469 |
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i looked at your pic above and the calipers were in the front... they go in the rear like in my pic that's the driver side but i'm thinking you have the mounts on the wrong sides? the ancor bolt should be at the bottom... maybe that's why you had to use the washers???
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Dmarc28 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-March-2018 Location: Garden Grove Status: Offline Points: 108 |
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Yes sir, my buddy that's building my engine gave it to me all in pieces.
Buuuuut they were all miss matched pieces. But I was able to make it work. So I'm going to get everything prepped on my ranchero this weekend, so I can get ready to swap. Only thing I'm sketchy about is the parking brake stuff. But I'm sure it will be ok.
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californiajohnny ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-October-2013 Location: winlock, wa Status: Offline Points: 14469 |
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did you use the lincoln diff? it should fit fine mine did...
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Dmarc28 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-March-2018 Location: Garden Grove Status: Offline Points: 108 |
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It is a number of them. I am using a grade 8 bolt, lock washers(spacers) and lock tite.
Once everything is under the car I was possibly thinking of getting a customer axle bearing/caliper bracket made to fit. And thank you.
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That is quite a few spacers. I would make sure that I was using the absolute highest rated bolt I could find. looks good though, great job
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Dmarc28 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-March-2018 Location: Garden Grove Status: Offline Points: 108 |
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Hey everyone, finally have an update.
Finally got everything assembled. Had to add some spacers to the caliper bracket because the caliper was hitting the shock mount. So spaced them out, bolted them on, added a wheel adapter to go from 5x5 to a 5x4.5 wheel bolt pattern. I have some pictures. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Idk why the pictures upload all funky. They looked fine when I took.them ha. But this is way will be going in my Chero. Edited by Dmarc28 - 08-July-2021 at 7:47PM |
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Those look great. For braking power, the OEM 70's discs may be the best choices, but I haven't checked the caliper piston size(affects power and balance). Ford did make good thick rotors back then, they made them thinner as time went on into the 90's. I will prefer the later model brakes for ease of maintenance and finding parts. But any upgrade is a good thing IMO.
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Don
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Dmarc28 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-March-2018 Location: Garden Grove Status: Offline Points: 108 |
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Hi, I just saw this.
I would love the proportioning valve if it is still available. I jus got my rear end back today. I'm going it have to rotate the calipers and brackets, but all in all it looks fugging amazing. Looks like this now. ![]() But Started out like this. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I have an NOS proportioning valve out of the four wheel disc brake cars, still in the ford box if you need one. will bolt on where your stock one is just different internal valving.
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Hey CJ, I moved my pivot point on my brake pedal to give me a higher pedal ratio, IIRC. Doing this also lessened the angle on the input rod. I do not remember what the exact ratio worked out to be off the top of my head.
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todd: do you remember the distance from the center of the brake pedal pivot to the center of the HB rod attachment point on the pedal? i measured it on the astro van i removed it from but forgot now
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here's my thread showing this... follow along on the next couple pages...
http://forum.grantorinosport.org/johns-74-sh-clone-build-thread_topic10024_page63.html |
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i info is here scroll down this link until you see scott's post listing the 6 or so 2005-----pdf files listed read threw them it will tell you all the info that's what i did on mine
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There's a bunch of ways to upgrade the brakes, the OEM 70's Ford parts are the most direct with the least modifications needed. You are using some of that which you already have in hand. I'm planning my project with parts I don't have yet, but seem to be more common to find at parts stores. They will take more work to adapt for the most part, but they might be a little better in the end. I wish a lot of this information was known to the public in the 70's. It takes a lot of years for people to figure oot these details for parts swapping.
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Oh no worries. Yeah for sure, you guys completely helped out.
That's my fault, I jus wasn't sure if some of the other stuff was for me. -DeMarco
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I'm
sorry DeMarco, for cluttering up your thread. I thought you had
received a very good answer to your question about MC and prop valve etc. I
know that aquartlow is very familiar with various brakes, and the hydro
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Don
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I would say using the Mustang set-up as a whole would probably work well, now if trying to use a Mustang HB unit(hydraulic portion) and not use the vertically mounted Mustang MC then that would probably give you issues(trying to find another MC that will physically mount and work). I used the Astro van HB unit(hydraulic portion that mounts to firewall), but my MC is sourced from an '80 Corvette. I know sounds difficult/involved, but the Astro-van HB unit uses a shallow bore MC, which the Corvette MC has. The 'Vette MC also is a 4 wheel disc 1 1/8" bore MC and it has fender exit ports(I wanted this to get brake lines/hoses away from header heat). Yes, the '98-'02 rear rotors are solid(I did buy drilled and slotted for my application) and I also had to fab up E-brake cable routing and connection to Ranchero E-brake cable. As far as the Astro-van HB unit goes, it is very easily adaptable to just about any firewall, just need to pay attention to the HB unit's input rod in relation to the vehicle's brake pedal attachment point( I had to cut and weld the rod to work with my application). I initially cut the rod to be able to totally disassemble and re-seal the HB unit, once re-sealed I welded and gusseted the rod to add strength. I did many two feet on the brake pedal stops to ensure that there would be no issues, been installed since '10 or '11 and it's been all good.
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