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I have a Torino front stub with seem to be 78 and newer Crown Vic spindles. Does anyone know of a rotor that will work that is 5 on 5?
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 5:41AM |
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5 on 5" rotors are not that hard to put together parts for, there are spindles that came with rotors like that, plus the OEM spindles on most models. The bearing sizes vary between different models, as Ford changed the bearings through the 1970's. I have about a 1972 Lincoln spindle on one of my 73's, which I used 5 on 5" rotors for, plus uni-lug wheels. I took the nice mags off and put the big Ford steel wheels on so I can later swap to a normal size 5 by 4.5" rotor type. The later Crown Vic spindles from the 90's are better for upgrading the brakes, but those require a custom caliper bracket, which has been done before(Andrew I believe).
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 6:10AM |
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I'm new to this ford stuff. I tried to add pictures to better help me find out what I actually have. but I can't get it to work. I have a cracked hat section. That is why I am looking for a hub/rotor.
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 10:09AM |
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You are just new here, so you cannot yet post pics. Welcome to the forum, and wait until moderator Vince sees you here and he will give you privileges to post. There are several combinations of stock brakes on these mid-sized 70's Fords, the best answer is usually one of those spindles, plus calipers and brackets, and rotors. Changing to anything not really a cousin to these 1972-79 models is really hard, likely requiring fabrication work. What exact parts do you have if you know, the spindle model and year, caliper brackets and what model/year? Those are the key questions to begin figuring out what may work. The 70's OEM 5 on 5" rotors are not all obsolete, it's probably similar to how many of the normal 5 on 4.5" rotors are, say 40%. So you may find an existing rotor to work, but it depends on the bearing diameters, which is tied to the spindle itself.
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 10:21AM |
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People keep telling me that they are 80's vic spindles. They are 1 piece. inner bearing is LM12749F. Outer is JL69349. those are the only number I have other than 837L 8 and 6165 on the right caliper.
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 12:40PM |
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Welcome to the forum! I have upgraded you to a full member so you have full forum privileges. Post some pics of the spindles to see if we can ID them. 80s Crown Vics are front steer while Torinos are rear steer. So they are completely different designs. If is they were used backwards, I would think it would throw off the geometry.
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 1:50PM |
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 2:06PM |
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Hi Gary,
to upload pictures there is a forum with instruction, or my quick instructions are:
Your picture will appear in the posting area. Good luck! pete Link to forum area with more details: https://forum.grantorinosport.org/how-to-post-a-picture-updated_topic16433.html?FID=12&PR=3 |
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Posted: 17-March-2025 at 11:51PM |
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Here are the pics.
 
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 2:32AM |
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I see a tube chassis. It's hard to say what race car guys did, as a lot used and cobbled together whatever they had at hand, followed by whatever was available cheap.
What's your rotor diameter? Ford thunderbird had 5x5 wheel pattern. And they used the bearings you listed from 74-76. So it might work for you, so long as the rotor diameter works. |
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 2:47AM |
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It seems to be right at 11" dia and 7/8" thick.
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 3:03AM |
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The stock rotors were more than an inch thick, and the sizes were generally under 11". Some OEM rotors were just under 12", most of those were 5 x 5" bolt patterned.
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 3:09AM |
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I thought it was a Granada rotor at first. but it's not. The dia, rotor thickness are the same but the distance from outer rotor surface to wheel mounting surface is to short. the rotors that are on it now I believe were re drilled to 5 on 5. and I think that is why they cracked. trying to get away from that. If they made a reasonable $ kit I would replace spindles, rotor, calipers.
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 3:59AM |
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What's your rotor height? Granada doesn't use that inner bearing #
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 4:03AM |
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I will have to get that when I get home this evening along with other measurments.
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 11:45AM |
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1st thing i saw was the double bolt circle, redrilled from 5-4.5. some 1970's police applications used a near 12" rotor and a 5-5 bolt circle, caliper brackets may be different? if you can find a match aside from diameter maybe turn them down?
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 12:32PM |
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I'm trying to send these for my phone so hopefully they go through.
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 11:11PM |
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Let's try again.
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Posted: 18-March-2025 at 11:15PM |
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Posted: 19-March-2025 at 2:03AM |
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Could cut the rotors down. I imagine anyone with a large enough lathe or brake lathe could do that easily. Or find and use the larger caliper bracket from a t-bird/police package, depending if the spindles where sourced from something that adapts and can use them.
Here's a couple threads I have bookmarked on here. Loads of info present in them. Being this is on a racecar you might be particularly interested in the retrofit option. |
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Posted: 19-March-2025 at 2:28AM |
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At this point I think the most important thing I do is identify what rotor that took originally even in the 4.5 bolt pattern.
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Posted: 20-March-2025 at 8:38AM |
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Looks like a mid 70's Lincoln Mark series rotor to me, possibly even a 75-76 Tbird or Full size like a Lincoln Town Car/Mercury Grand Marquis since they all use 5 on 5 BC. Definitely modified to fit 5 on 4.5 BC. The calipers are the same, just use a different caliper bracket for the larger diameter rotor. IIRC, even the bearings are the same, fit intermediates as well, but it's been a while since I went all through this....like 12-13 years ago.
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Posted: 20-March-2025 at 1:28PM |
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Full sized mercury, ford and I want to say Lincolns 74+ used a 5x5 rotor. Spindle wise, I have swapped 72 Lincoln and early '73 Lincoln mark 4 rotors on the 72 Torino spindle.
Those rotors look like they were predrilled 11" rotors. The mid-70's stuff with 5x5 were usually 12" rotors. I have swapped 2000 Crownvic rotors onto my 1972 spindles, but I had help milling a set of '72 rotors into bearing hubs to use the 2000 crown vic rotors, and fabricated adapter brackets. Not sure what class you are running in, but I'd tell you, look at a 77-79 Lincoln Mark 5. Rayobestos rotors are pretty reasonable, just have shipping on a pair of rotors. If I was you, I would get 3-4 rotors. Have a machine shop turn the OD of the rotors on a lathe to the OD you need to match. Those rotors are made for 15" wheels, but again, not sure clearance on the bell area of your wheels. If you are running Aero Racing or Bassett wheels, hard to know if the 12" rotor package would clear the inside of the wheel. Memory is vague but I had type 59 Aero wheels, nascar cup spec, and they cleared the 12" rotor and caliper on a 15" wheel.    |
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Posted: 20-March-2025 at 1:30PM |
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Another note:
11" rotors were actually around 10-3/4" diameter 12" rotors were around 11.5" diameter.
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Posted: 20-March-2025 at 1:32PM |
  Again, not sure what your wheel bell area is like for rotor clearances. Posting these, as the type 59's were meant for cup racing.
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Posted: 21-March-2025 at 2:12AM |
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I have finally gotten an exact identification on the spindles caliber rotors. They're off in 85 crown Vic. The upper ball joints are screwing style. Now I need to check specs to see if I can find a 5.5 bolt pattern hub and rotor that can be turned down to 11 in that will align with the caliper.
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Posted: 21-March-2025 at 4:47AM |
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That rock auto link andrew posted is the rotor you'd want. 5x5 pattern with the right bearings. You can probably source them locally from a parts store if you'd want to.
They'll need machined smaller. Any shop with a brake/drum lathe could manage it. Or take it to a machine shop. They're also about an 1/8" thicker, so put pads in the caliper and then slide them over the rotor to make sure they'll fit that way. It shouldn't be an issue, but it's easier to thin them out if needed at the same time. The hat height is also different, but I don't think it's enough to worry about, you should have enough pin movement to accommodate it. |
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