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Posted: 21-March-2025 at 5:38AM |
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Posted: 22-March-2025 at 1:56AM |
Interesting. They must be using them backwards, because as I said, the 1979-91 Crown Vics are front steer cars. My question is how this would affect your steering geometry? The suspension on these cars is quite a bit different than the suspension on the 1972-79 Intermediates/1965-78 Full size cars.
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Posted: 22-March-2025 at 3:05PM |
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That is interesting, and I have had two of those CV's, both police, a 1986 and a rough 85. The tires did not wear well in my time with them, I put about 255k miles on them. I do like the next gen CV suspensions better, my two 1995 CV's got very good tire wear. The geometry was better as they developed more. I think I would consider changing the spindles again to a better choice, but I never thought of trying the spindles on the opposite side because of the steering gear.
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Posted: 28-March-2025 at 8:38AM |
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I bought the rotors. Had them turn down to 11 in. And mounted it I don't have enough on the outer meeting surface to turn down even with grinding half of the pad off to get the caliper to go on. The offset from where the brains set versus the rotor we're almost 3/8 in. The other issue I have is even after turning down down the rotor when I mount the caliper the bolts pull on the outside pad before the bottoms out and binds up the rotor.
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Posted: 28-March-2025 at 10:22PM |
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Since you found the spindles to be 1985 CV parts, why not purchase the correct '85 CV rotors and have them redrilled for 5 on 5 BC. It would probably be the simplest solution and save you some headaches. Grinding pads down to allow caliper fitting should never be considered a good solution. Either that or find some 70's Lincoln spindles with correct caliper/caliper brackets that allows the larger 11.79" 5 on 5 BC rotors, but that may require different ball joints and/or upper/lower control arms. It seems one problem solved begets another problem in this situation. Hope you get it figured out.
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Posted: 29-March-2025 at 12:42AM |
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It sure does. It had crown Vic rotors that were re drilled. The inside of the rotor has a taper where the studs went. So after a while it cracked the hat where each stud went.
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Posted: 29-March-2025 at 1:34AM |
I now fully understand why the want to find an alternative for the re-drilled original rotors. It may have cracked because the holes that were drilled for the wheel studs were a bit undersized, but looking at the pics you posted there isn't a bunch of material on the outside of the wheel studs in relation the O.D. of the "hub". I modded my Ranchero's brake system to use 2000 CV rotors and calipers, I was doing it about the same time Andy(Eliteman76) was finishing his conversion. One of the hubs cracked when I pressed in the needed wheel studs due to the holes being a bit undersized for the longer shouldered wheel studs to locate the CV rotor to the Ranchero hub and the studs were over 5/8" away from the O.D. of the hub and still cracked. Not sure, but I believe quite a few GM vehicles use 5 on 5 BC and possibly use a separate hub & rotor assembly(I'm NOT a GM guy). You would obviously need to do a bunch of research as well as measuring, but if you took the 11.79" hub/rotors you cut the OD on and re-cut them just to use the hubs(since the wheel bearings will be the same and use 5 on 5 BC, I'm just not sure on wheel bearing spacing-but since you have both examples in hand you can verify), you may be able to find a GM rotor that would have the same lug pattern but also give the needed/wanted offset that would allow the calipers to be centered on the rotors. Hope this is somewhat helpful. Again, hope you get it figured out.
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Posted: 08-April-2025 at 12:31PM |
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Speedway Motors probably sells a GM rotor kit that will fit your application.
My car runs stock '74 Torino spindles, rotors and everything else. I'm also running 5x4.5 bolt pattern. If I had your current problem I'd weigh the cost of replacing the cracked parts against replacing all your wheels and rear axles and going back to the 5x4.5 pattern. Some GM guy will buy all your 5x5 wheels for about half of new, thus offsetting the total cost, you get all new wheels, and you'll be able to source your parts from anywhere.
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Posted: 08-April-2025 at 11:25PM |
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All,
I purchased the Lincoln rotors 5 on 5 for 90.00 for the pair. Found a machine shop to turn them to 11" and the outside surface down for 200.00. a little trimming on caliper mounting and it's working so far. I did find a race shop in Minnesota that deals with these front ends all the time. They have a kit they make that they adapt GM spindles rotors and calipers to fit the Torino lowers and screw in upper ball joints for 1000.00. this will be the first season my son runs this car so we figured we would go the lesser route to see how the car handles and holds up if it does well we know it will do for next year. Thank you for everybody's help on this!
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Posted: 12-April-2025 at 6:54PM |
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Well we got her on the track ran a whole weekend and got hit in the driver's front bent the lower ball joint. Does anybody know if a Trina lower ball joint is the same as a early 80s crown Vic ball joint? Or if an '80s spindle will fit on the Torino ball joint? Thanks in advance
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Posted: 13-April-2025 at 4:52AM |
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Different ball joint, at least going by the numbers
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Posted: 13-April-2025 at 10:46AM |
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Got out to the shop today and got it all tore apart I need a lower control arm as well as a ball joint does anybody know where a good sources for a lower control arm was pressing ball joints?
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Posted: 14-April-2025 at 8:50AM |
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Does your control arm look like this?
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