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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

https://www.cjponyparts.com/bellhousing-separator-plate-manual-transmission-1964-1973/p/TSP/?year=1966&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlbW-BhCMARIsADnwaspWJPQSHBO28kskgrpABL14gsxGD1Cf-JMFbhtfj-QiVWl59HNI-eAaApBOEALw_wcB

This is all well and good, except, how do I bolt the starter in using only this flimsy engine plate?
The scattershield doesn't have a place for the lower bolt to mount hence the custom (thicker) engine plate with a nut welded to the flywheel side. It's an old scattershield. Not like the cool new Lakewood ones with proper mounting holes. Has anyone here run the scattershield I inherited?
Since I had to modify the mount created by the PO, my original question though long winded was "does anyone have measurements of the Ford starters?" From the response "You should measure it" I infer that no, there are no members here with measurements to share. Bummer. My aging spine doesn't like the repeated on and off the creeper. I was hoping for some magic formula to avoid that.
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The last page with the detailed OEM starter dimensions should be enough to get very close with a proper manual trans separator plate. That plate should have the starter holes within proper range for your transmission, and then you could fine tune the depth, and bolt locations.

I'd start with the right OEM plate, or a later scatter shield to get the threaded mounting hole.
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my thought was to hopefully overlay the OEM plate to locate the starter
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Exactly, use it to see how close your holes in the motor mount plate are.
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As I mentioned before, I have mostly a/t parts. While I can't say I measured other than laying the oem motor plate I have on the custom plate from thr PO and aligning the starter mount holes, I did find a solution.
Apparently the starter I had installed is for an a/t. I got a replacement to fit the m/t, (wilson # 5860) boted it in and voila'! Problem solved.
Part numbers for the correct starter for my application:
Interchange Part Number
AC Delco: 323-510, 336-1165
Arrowhead: SFD0012
Bosch: SR7548N, SR7548X
Delco Remanufactured: 10465346
Ford: F2TU-11000-AA, F2TZ-11002-A, F7PU-11000-FA, F7PZ-11002-FA
J & N: 410-14033, 410-14038
Lester: 3223, 3241
Lucas: LRS01424
Motorcraft: SA-793,  SA-798, SA-850
Wilson: 91-02-5860

You can get one on Ebay today for 45 bucks
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Very good, Clap 

You had the mounting holes located correctly. That's the hardest part for fabricating a motor plate.
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Thanks you guys for the quick and well thought answers. I guess this shows that the mounting holes are the same for A/T vs M/T, with the 157 tooth flywheel, and that the starter nose or distance it travels is the difference. My lack of gumption (and decent measuring tools) has left the proof of this to someone else. 
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Originally posted by 72 RS 351 72 RS 351 wrote:

Exactly, use it to see how close your holes in the motor mount plate are.


quite more than just see, i'm saying install the OEM plate in front of the custom made plate to use the circular register hole to positively locate the starter. the custom plate carries the weight

Originally posted by RacerJames RacerJames wrote:

.... and that the starter nose or distance it travels is the difference.


don't forget the register diameter. i forget which way ATM but the small diameter starter will fit into the large diameter register and be sloppy, grind & rip stuff up
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Originally posted by Rockatansky Rockatansky wrote:

Originally posted by 72 RS 351 72 RS 351 wrote:

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quite more than just see, i'm saying install the OEM plate in front of the custom made plate to use the circular register hole to positively locate the starter. the custom plate carries the weight

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don't forget the register diameter. i forget which way ATM but the small diameter starter will fit into the large diameter register and be sloppy, grind & rip stuff up


 

I see, you're right, the large hole defines the critical location of the starter. I have never had any vehicles with any issue of the starter not fitting perfectly. That main hole is designed to make it easy to bolt a starter on and not need any adjustment in that plane.
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Originally posted by 72 RS 351 72 RS 351 wrote:

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quite more than just see, I'm saying install the OEM plate in front of the custom made plate to use the circular register hole to positively locate the starter. the custom plate carries the weight

don't forget the register diameter. I forget which way ATM but the small diameter starter will fit into the large diameter register and be sloppy, grind & rip stuff up


I hadn't thought to install the correct plate in front of the custom one. A perfectly logical solution. Another 1/16th inch of spacing shouldn't make much difference to starter engagement.
If I need to remove the trans again for whatever reason (hopefully not!) I might do exactly as suggested. 
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i got to thinking, the 1st thing is to verify the register diameter of the starter, do you know if it's supposed to be M/T or A/T ? i don't think the snout length makes a difference with the Lakewood bell so you might be able to use either starter? but where i'm going with this is, if that's the case, you might could use an A/T block plate if the starter register matches .... you'll figger it out ;)
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