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 i looked at your pic above and the calipers were in the front... they go in the rear like in my pic that's the driver side  but i'm thinking you have the mounts on the wrong sides? the ancor bolt should be at the bottom... maybe that's why you had to use the washers???
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here's a pic of the passenger side...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Bird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-July-2021 at 2:21AM
He moved them to the rear in the later shimmed pictures.
Something's not right though.
Any chance the caliper brackets are on the wrong sides? driver/passenger? That would turn them upside down and affect mounting/clearance.
Your caliper retainers are up on top. Johnny's are at the bottom.



Edited by Big Bird - 10-July-2021 at 2:38AM
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The improved pic, with arrows...
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I sure don’t like that stack of washers..... I don’t care how tight you bolt something— those could shift
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Bird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-July-2021 at 4:23AM
The caliper mounting brackets are on the wrong sides, I don't know if the bearing retainers are on the wrong side as well, can't tell from the pictures, and don't know if they are the same for both sides.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rockatansky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-July-2021 at 7:35AM
look at the radius of the caliper in relation to the inside of the wheel, flip it and it looks like it would match better

and YES measure that washer stack and cut some spacers out of some good hard material,

you might even find something usable in the drawers at the hardware store Wink 
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Ok I am confused my 90 markV11 has 10.8 rotors my 79 ltd2 has 11 3/4 according to auto zone. 89 crown vic has 11.






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Dmark28 seems to be using Mark IV or V parts. That's what Johnny has. Unfortunately, Dmark28 got them as a pile of parts. So, the issue is sorting the parts and assembling them in the correct order without seeing them assembled properly.
From pictures, his calipers are hitting the shock and upper control arm brackets and needed to be shimmed. They appear to be out of place, not concentric with the rotor.
Johnny's pictures show the caliper retainer (and bolt for it) the the bottom of the caliper.
Dmark28's are on top. That tells me the caliper mount bracket is upside down. Caliper mount bracket bolts to the bearing/axle retainer. I don't know if they are symmetrical, or different from side to side.
Either way, this mislocates the caliper.
In his original pic, the calipers are forward of the axle instead of behind it. This appears to be corrected, but the shims are a new symptom.
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yes that's what i'm thinking ... they are on the wrong sides?
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Hey everybody, here's an update. 
You all bring up very very good points. 
When I got the rearend, yes, it was all in peices and missmatched at that. So I had to do alit if digging and research to find any parts that I was going to still need to make it happen. 
With that being said. I too am not fond of the spacers. I am merely using them as place holders until I can either find a solid spacer or now that I have the measurements get some made. Eventually it will be changed. 
As far as the caliper brackets go I tried a few different combos before I bolted everything together. I even took a look back at the pictures that Californiajohnny shared. 
I tried to match my caliper position to the picture. The hose that feeds the caliper with fluid would hit the shock mount bracket not allowing the caliper to sit correctly, thus the spacers. Eventually I plan on Getting custom retainer/caliper bracket made, but that's a long way off. 
Right I want to jus get it in the car. So that's what I'll be doing today getting the old rearend removed and then new one put in.
pictures to come. 





And at 8:50pm we are in. Tomorrow tighten it up and figure out the e-brake n some other stuff. 





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Bird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-July-2021 at 4:34AM
Calipers are in the right place/orientation. 
Your caliper mounting brackets are upside down. 
The "Key" and retainer bolt are on top. They should be on the bottom. 
I don't know if you can just flip them or you also have to swap them side to side. 
Your caliper brackets attach to the bearing retainers. They may have to be swapped side to side as well. 
I do know that they are not right and unsafe with those spacers. Spacers should not be needed. Something is not right. 
Please be careful...
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Ok, so this morning tightened everything up. Tried what everyone had suggested, about the caliper bracket being in the wrong sides. Flipped them but still needed the spacers. Not sure why, but I do. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote californiajohnny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-July-2021 at 12:19PM
 i think your issue with the hose is the calipers are different!!! note the hose where it mounts, and the 2 dimples cast into the back of the caliper....mine arent like that!  mine are new for a 79 lincoln mark V as the hoses have the curved metal part too (i have aftermarket braided hoses) but the OEM hoses were the same shape!
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