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    Posted: 09-June-2024 at 5:06AM
Hey guys,

I am having an issue with my drivers door window binding when I rolled the window up or down.  It was so bad it would almost lock solid and I had to work it back and forth to get the window to move.  I took the door apart and tried greasing all the slide points and the gear, and it improved.  However there are still times where it binds up pretty tight.  Nothing looks to be overly worn.

Anyone experience this issue?  Any solutions to help this out?
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Anyone have any advice??

I found this old thread about a bad roller:


I can see my roller, or part of it, and it looks okay.  In the thread above his was missing all together.  At this point though I am thinking that's the only thing that it could be. I have greased all the slide points and it still binds up at time. From the old threads, it seems that this square one made by Dorman works okay in place of the round one from the factory.

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Just to eliminate possibilities, does it make a difference if the door is open or closed when you have the issue?
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Replace the regulator. CJ sent me one for the drivers side and it solved a similar problem on my car.
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It works the same with the door open or closed.  I prefer not to replace the regulator.  It's rust free and appears to be in great shape.  It worked well until recently.  After I greased it, I worked the window up and down.  At times it worked normal, then would bind up suddenly.  It seemed sort of random.  I will probably just give the roller a shot first before I look at changing the entire regulator, unless there are any other ideas.
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Sounds almost like the glass itself is a little loose.
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I have same issue with my drivers door goes up real easy then last 6in hard as hell. As I never use the cars I never give it a though.
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I will double check the glass, but it seemed pretty secure.  Fordpower, that sounds similar to my issue, although sometimes it's tight on the bottom or all the way through the range of motion.  It seems pretty random.  That's why I am thinking it's the roller that is binding due to a bad spot? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote californiajohnny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-June-2024 at 10:48PM
 yes the dorman square rollers work fine! also check the white plastic guides make sure they arent cracked that could cause binding...
 also check the regulator ...is the shaft moving up and down a little? they do that when worn and also the teeth of the gear it could be slightly worn in an area and would indicate that the shaft teeth are worn too and could bind... also is the regulator coil spring broken or binding???
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Likely, you're dealing with the rollers being worn out. 

I'll post up some adjustment detail. 
I'll be honest I have struggled with glass adjustment, and found the rollers and pivot points in the regulators the key cause of problems. 
I also used regular bearing grease, hind site I should have used a better grease like what the Spohn control arms and Energy Suspension bushings need, Superlube 21036 Synthetic Grease:
https://a.co/d/0124cirW


Factory manual info: 






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Working on getting better docs for the Torino loaded. Not sure how I can load a file this big to GTS.

Manual section from 1972 Manuals Section 42-07-01 and 42-07-02 for the front doors. 

I can send the file, but it's around a 29MB PDF. I have it loaded. Message me and I can send over the file link to anyone that wants it. 


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Attempting to copy the text, had to use some talk to text dictation off my phone because I couldn't copy all the PDF text.

Hope this helps.

3 ADJUSTMENTS

FRONT DOOR WINDOW MECHANISM

Separate adjustment steps are given for each adjustment so that a partial glass adjustment can be performed.

If a complete glass adjustment is required, follow the adjustments in the order given. All window mechanism adjustments must be performed with the door trim panel and water shield removed. After the adjustment(s) are completed, install the water shield and trim panel.

Glass Position-Fore and Aft
It is necessary to reposition the glass in the opening if the glass has been removed or if extreme door hinge adjustments are performed. To reposition the glass, remove the trim panel and water shield.

Then, loosen the three glass bracket-to-glass retaining nuts (Items A, Fig. I), and position the glass forward or rearward as necessary to obtain the best fit around the edge of the glass with the weatherstrip. After the glass is moved to the desired position, tighten the three glass bracket-to-glass retaining nuts to specification (Section9).

Stabilizer Adjustment
The stabilizers are used to support the glass at the belt line. The trim panel must be removed to adjust the stabilizers. Then, with the glass in the up position, push the front stabilizer firmly against the glass surface and tighten the attaching screw (Item B,Fig. 1).

Repeat the procedurefor the rear stabilizer.

Glass In-Out Tilt
The in-out tilt adjustment is used to obtain a good seal with the weather- strip at the top edge of the glass. This adjustment is made by repositioning the upper and lower guides with respect to the glass bracket. 

To adjust the in-out 

Tilt of the glass, loosen the two lower attaching screws (items C, figure 1)

And move the top of the glass, inward or outward as required to obtain a good seal with the weatherstrip. Then, tighten the upper guide attaching screws to specification. (section 9)

Then, tighten the lower guide, detaching screws.

On the right door, tighten the lower guide rear screw, and then tighten the front screw.


After the guide attaching screws have been tightened, again check the glass weatherstrip fit for a good seal. Readjust the in and out tilt of the glass if a good air tight seal is not achieved.


Upper stop adjustment


The upper stop adjustment are used to limit the up travel of the glass to maintain constant glass height when the glass is raised to the full close position.

The door trim panel must be removed to adjust the up stops.

To adjust the stops, raise the window To the up position.

Check to be sure there is no interference when the door is opened.

Then, position the brackets down against the glass stops, and tighten the stop bracket attaching screw (items D, figure 1).

Use this procedure for both the front and rear upper stops.


Lower stop adjustment

The lower stop is used to control the depth the glass can be lowered into the door.

To adjust the lower stop, remove the door trim panel. Loosen the lower stop retaining screw. (Item E, Fig 1)

And lower the glass until the top edge is 1-1/4 inches above the outer panel. Then, list the stop against the glass, bracket and tighten the retaining screw.



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Thanks Andrew.  I ordered a new roller.  All other parts look good.  I greased it and worked and back and forth and it is much better now.  It still binds on occassion, but not nearly as bad.  So I am hoping it's just the roller but the new grease is limiting the binding.

BTW, I HATE the door clips on these sport door panels.  What a huge pain the are to get in on without them popping off the panel. 
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Vince, I found you need to use a panel pry tool to pop the panel off the door. 
And yes, they are a complete pain with the metal retaining clips!

I found I open my doors up every 2-3 years and also use white lithium grease on the regulator gearing. That seams to help. 
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Thanks Andy.  The door panels are easy to pop off, it's getting those clips to pop back in on the bottom of the door that is a huge pain.  I find when I tried to get them in the hole with a good wack of the hand, the clips often pop right off the panel all together. 
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Generally on the panel install, I've found I make sure the wire retainer clips still are shaped or bent back to shape to properly spring into the holes on the door shell. 
Easier said than done and over the years, I have had more than my fair share of clips go flying!
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I tossed a regulator in the trash last week along with a hood hinge assy.
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Originally posted by handsofstone handsofstone wrote:

I tossed a regulator in the trash last week along with a hood hinge assy.

Too bad.  I am sure someone could have used those parts....
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I tossed a bunch of stuff from different vehicles I have had since 1981. If I find more I will post them here.
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