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Happy to hear you made it ok and the car ran fine and the saga is over!  How was it for power comparted to before?  Any big hills?
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Altamont Pass with a very strong headwind on the way to the show, then Bakersfield to Tehachapi on the way home, and another big climb on Highway14 north of Red Rock Canyon State Park about 30 miles north of Mojave. Pulled all three hills at 70 just fine. Probably could have gone faster, but the rumble from my rear end above 70 mph is getting worse, so I'll need to look more into that, but didn't want to spend lots of time in the rumble zone. Engine temp barely climbed from where it was on flat land. 
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What year engine ? Was it originally equiped with an EGR valve ? When a EGR valve is cancelled the combustion temperature rise and help pinging to happen. Enriching the fuel may help combustion temperature to lower. 
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It's a 1972 engine, original to the car except the stock 2V intake manifold was replaced with an Edelbrock 4-barrel intake by a prior owner. California car, so I'd be very surprised if it didn't have EGR originally.

Would an air gap intake lower the combustion temperature a bit too?
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The EGR does alter the combustion mixture as an attempt to dilute the amount of fuel being consumed, and in the end reduce total emissions. Any change from the original mixture going into the chambers should need an adjusted timing and fuel. The 70's engine were inherently poorly cammed with low compression. It's like an amateur camshaft designer was trained to design cams for high compression, and then forced to create something for low compression. It takes a better cam design than they knew how to make back then, for low compression with EGR and catalytic convertors.

For the pinging, if it's a lot then back off the timing, and adjust it more thoughtfully (with the distributor as you have done). I would aim for pointed changes to improve the engine, the RPM Air Gap would be an upgrade. But the stock combination is off from what would be ideal if building it from scratch. You can do a lot with tuning, the distributor and the carburetor; but the camshaft/compression/intake are notable negatives.

For an old engine in believed excellent condition that you don't think needs rebuilt, I might try a custom cam with rebuilt heads. That would be hoping that a better cam could solve the inherent pinging that is common with the early EGR Ford engines. I think it's just a lack of knowledge by those cam designers, unfamiliar with how to include EGR and cats into the combination.

You can tune any engine fine without EGR, same for cats or any OEM emissions garbage. Ford loved air pumps for ages, then it was four cats on an engine, that began in the 80's. In the early years Ford loved vacuum switches in the coolant passages to alter the timing. They have done many things that over time ended up being no improvement, some have survived and are current because of the government.

I'd put on an RPM Air Gap intake and retune it, then see how it runs and pings. I'm sure it will run much better with the smaller intake ports. But I'd still expect some pinging under light loads.
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The one I just bought has a Edelbrock 4v intake and carb and the cats have been emptied and it pings like hell on 87 and 89 octane. On 91 it seem ok. I haven't check anything yet but I usually set timing by ear on those older cars. The specs were set to meet polution regulations like Don said. I'm considering a new cam too.
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So just for reference, the noise I was chasing when I started this thread turned out to be a cracked exhaust manifold. I also ended up going to replace the rear main seal and finding that the crank had been forced into the thrust bearing to the point that it put a groove into the crank, which, even with a new thrust bearing put in, still allowed about 1/8 inch of endplay, so I found another crank for it, which was 30 under on the rods and mains, so I pulled the engine, replaced the bearings and rings, and honed the cylinders. I also replaced the rod nuts with ARP ones and the valves with one-piece stainless ones. I reused the cam and lifters because at the time, new flat-tappet cams even from reputable brands were often not surviving the 20-minute break-in without flattening a lobe and putting metal through the brand new bearings, and a roller cam and lifter set wasn't in the budget, so I figured I'm better off with a known working 50-year-old cam than a new one that might ruin all my work before I drive it even one mile. I put on new exhaust manifolds at that time, and got rid of the particular noise I was chasing. 
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I'm sorry I forgot about the full engine refresh, I just remember you sticking with the flat tappet cam, which was a good idea at this time. There have been lots of parts quality issues discussed in the last few years. Hopefully most of that is related to the upheaval from the 2020 fake pandemic and what it did to worldwide shipping and manufacturing.

Things should be improving quite a bit in the last couple of years. Roller lifters are one of those suspect new part subjects. It has affected both the OEM parts and the aftermarket, it's scary to think of buying an old trusted OEM part and have it fail fast. Right now, it's unlikely many people have had success recovering damages from those bad new parts. My guess is that most of those issues will be gone soon, manufacturers will correct things on their end, and the remaining stock will turn over fully.

So a roller cam would be ideal, but the cost to upgrade is really high now given inflation, I'd bet $1200+ easily.
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